Minerva Bull As, rare even for an Aes Grave

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  1. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio Supporter

    An uncommon cast bronze As arrived this week. The coin was broken to make small change and is only about a Sextans worth of bronze. Enough of the design is on the coin to make an ID, but most of the "good stuff" is on other pieces.

    Minerva Bull Aes Grave Fraction; Crawford 37, 225 BC

    Roman Republic
    Aes Grave fragment of an As from the Miverva Bull series 225 BC, mint uncertain
    Obv – Head of Minerva, facing, wearing helmet with three crests, hair cascading to shoulders
    Rev – Bull standing to right (only parts of the back two legs are showing); In Ex RO[MA]; this fragment does not show the marks above the bull: L, I or a caduceus. Grueber and earlier authors are not sure if the L stands for a town (Luceria) or one pound (Libra).
    37.1 X 29.2 X 10.2 mm
    43.22 grams
    BB +, Light Brown / Green patina
    Rare - I found only a dozen coins in books and on the internet (3 coins on acsearch). Haberline had 23 examples. I am not sure where this fits on a rarity scale, but there have been only a few sales in the last 20 years. I would like a whole coin, but this place holder is good enough for now.

    Crawford 37/1a, b or c Crawford lists three symbols above the bull.
    Grueber Italy AG 1 or 2
    Sydenham RRC – 138 & 139
    Sydenham AG – 34 & 35
    Haberline – pg 141 – 143, 23 examples including 2 fragments; plates 55 – 56
    Garrucci - pg 17; plate XXXII # 4 & 5
    Vecci ICC – 72 or 73
    T&V – 43 or 43a
    HNI – 331

    The next few pics are the seller's, two plate pics from Garrucci, a fragment pic from Haberline and 2 coins from Haberline
    Cr37.1 cut aes grave tintin 6.20.20 rev.jpg Cr37.1 cut aes grave tintin 6.20.20.jpg DSCN4686.JPG DSCN4688.JPG DSCN4697.JPG 20200620_141657.jpg
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  3. Limes

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    Nice catch! If complete, it probably would have been very impressive. Do you also own a complete one?
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  4. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    Well done, @rrdenarius . Wow! That is a fantastic piece. Congrats.

    Musing: wouldn’t be interesting to find some or all the other broken pieces.
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  5. abc123

    abc123 Member

    Very nice addition to your collection! I like the photos of the cast AE fragment next to the corresponding plate images. Good visual aid for seeing the design elements present.
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  6. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Dang, I'd love to have one of these!
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  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    They are out there for the taking! :D INDULGE yourself! I have several myself!
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  8. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    I have aes rude, but no aes grave...perhaps...............................................
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  9. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    Gettem-Gettem-Gettem! They are GREAT!

    They have a different "feel" in-hand. Like a different specific gravity... not quite like Gold, but not the typical Ancient coin feel.

    RR AE Aes Grave Sextans 270 BCE 37mm 55.28g Dioscuri R and L (similar denom as @rrdenarius lopped off piece in the OP)
  10. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio Supporter

    they can be found at modest prices if you have patience, look a lot and are ok with something less than mint state coins.
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  11. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Are you kidding...for ancients those are MS :)
  12. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    You inspire me...I'll have to start looking. The feeling thing, kind of like picking up an Alex tet when you are used to obols...
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  13. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member Supporter

    High grade Alexander tets are always available. High grade obols are not. Some aes grave are thicker than some tets are wide. It reminds me of a joke that was making the rounds in 1959 when Alaska became a state. The Texan was moaning about no longer being the largest state. The Alaskan said, 'Shut up or we'll divide and make you third.' Another coin usually available are the more common of the dekadrachms. If you ever have the opportunity to handle an Alexander dekadrachm, take it. I'll never have one.
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