Log in or Sign up
Coin Talk
Home
Forums
>
Coin Forums
>
Coin Chat
>
Milk Spots- Are They Such a Big Deal?
>
Reply to Thread
Message:
<p>[QUOTE="V. Kurt Bellman, post: 2130418, member: 71723"]All I am doing is relaying here what I have been told by numerous dealers who have repeatedly insisted that WHILE THERE ARE MANY KINDS OF POTENTIAL CONTAMINATION, the phenomenon known as "milk spots" are unique in two ways: 1) no chemical attempt to remove them has thus far been successful, and 2) they are nearly always pretty close to round.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now, I suppose if you find a contaminent that meets 1 but not 2, you MAY be dealing with a variant of the same cause. I don't know why this is so, but it is (I checked last night) - I own about 70-90 or so ASE's, only 2 in slabs (Christmas gifts), and of the ones I checked last night, not a single one has any milk spots or any other garbage on them. Some in Danscos, some in Saflips in a 2x2 file box, and the proofs in OGP. I don't get it. One reason I may not is that I didn't buy many at all during the 09-11 silver craze, just enough to keep my sets whole. I notice that a lot of pieces of that era have spots. I also own ZERO "First Strike" or "Early Strike" examples, nor have I followed a pallet full of monster boxes being pushed along the F.U.N. Show bourse floor like a tomcat following a female in heat like I've observed some doing. (What a spectacle!)</p><p><br /></p><p>Now, as to the chemistry: two thoughts, one I know, and one I only suspect. 1) Silver chloride is photoreactive, i.e., its chemistry alters on exposure to light, especially bright light over time. Normally, this occurs as a latent image that is subsequently developed in a darkroom. Silver chloride lies at the heart of the old warm-tone photographic papers such as Kodak's Portra and Agfa's magnificent Portriga-Rapid. That MAY account for the browning of the milk spots on that ASE.</p><p>2) The universe's most insistent coupler to Chlorine is Sodium. I suspect that a bath in HOT salt water would at least alter milk spots in a noticeable way if they are indeed silver chloride. But then again, so would a photographic developer. How do you feel about black milk spots? <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie33" alt=":cigar:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> OTOH, a bath in Sodium Thiosulfate, the primary ingredient in photographic Fixer might remove the spots. Silver "wants" the thiosulfate, and sodium "wants" the chlorine. The spot MAY simply dissolve.</p><p><br /></p><p>Almost makes me wish I had a milk spotted coin so I could play with it. Almost.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="V. Kurt Bellman, post: 2130418, member: 71723"]All I am doing is relaying here what I have been told by numerous dealers who have repeatedly insisted that WHILE THERE ARE MANY KINDS OF POTENTIAL CONTAMINATION, the phenomenon known as "milk spots" are unique in two ways: 1) no chemical attempt to remove them has thus far been successful, and 2) they are nearly always pretty close to round. Now, I suppose if you find a contaminent that meets 1 but not 2, you MAY be dealing with a variant of the same cause. I don't know why this is so, but it is (I checked last night) - I own about 70-90 or so ASE's, only 2 in slabs (Christmas gifts), and of the ones I checked last night, not a single one has any milk spots or any other garbage on them. Some in Danscos, some in Saflips in a 2x2 file box, and the proofs in OGP. I don't get it. One reason I may not is that I didn't buy many at all during the 09-11 silver craze, just enough to keep my sets whole. I notice that a lot of pieces of that era have spots. I also own ZERO "First Strike" or "Early Strike" examples, nor have I followed a pallet full of monster boxes being pushed along the F.U.N. Show bourse floor like a tomcat following a female in heat like I've observed some doing. (What a spectacle!) Now, as to the chemistry: two thoughts, one I know, and one I only suspect. 1) Silver chloride is photoreactive, i.e., its chemistry alters on exposure to light, especially bright light over time. Normally, this occurs as a latent image that is subsequently developed in a darkroom. Silver chloride lies at the heart of the old warm-tone photographic papers such as Kodak's Portra and Agfa's magnificent Portriga-Rapid. That MAY account for the browning of the milk spots on that ASE. 2) The universe's most insistent coupler to Chlorine is Sodium. I suspect that a bath in HOT salt water would at least alter milk spots in a noticeable way if they are indeed silver chloride. But then again, so would a photographic developer. How do you feel about black milk spots? :cigar: OTOH, a bath in Sodium Thiosulfate, the primary ingredient in photographic Fixer might remove the spots. Silver "wants" the thiosulfate, and sodium "wants" the chlorine. The spot MAY simply dissolve. Almost makes me wish I had a milk spotted coin so I could play with it. Almost.[/QUOTE]
Your name or email address:
Do you already have an account?
No, create an account now.
Yes, my password is:
Forgot your password?
Stay logged in
Coin Talk
Home
Forums
>
Coin Forums
>
Coin Chat
>
Milk Spots- Are They Such a Big Deal?
>
Home
Home
Quick Links
Search Forums
Recent Activity
Recent Posts
Forums
Forums
Quick Links
Search Forums
Recent Posts
Competitions
Competitions
Quick Links
Competition Index
Rules, Terms & Conditions
Gallery
Gallery
Quick Links
Search Media
New Media
Showcase
Showcase
Quick Links
Search Items
Most Active Members
New Items
Directory
Directory
Quick Links
Directory Home
New Listings
Members
Members
Quick Links
Notable Members
Current Visitors
Recent Activity
New Profile Posts
Sponsors
Menu
Search
Search titles only
Posted by Member:
Separate names with a comma.
Newer Than:
Search this thread only
Search this forum only
Display results as threads
Useful Searches
Recent Posts
More...