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<p>[QUOTE="BenSi, post: 7355460, member: 95174"]I think the late time period has a lot less uniformity in the names of denominations. Different Authors , different names for a multitude of reasons.</p><p><br /></p><p>I posted a similar question in 2002 on Yahoo Groups and Forum Ancient Coins. </p><p><br /></p><p>The best response I got was from a Great Byzantine Collector who ended up aiding me on several of my questions. </p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tornese" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tornese" rel="nofollow">Tornese</a>, assiarion ,follaro, <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=stamenon" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=stamenon" rel="nofollow">stamenon</a>, are they concaved coins?</p><p>What is the aprox size for each?</p><p>Was the Assiaron just a name change for the <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron" rel="nofollow">tetarteron</a> or was it a totally different coin?</p><p><br /></p><p>Thanks.</p><p><br /></p><p>The best reply. </p><p><br /></p><p>The coins that David <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=sear" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=sear" rel="nofollow">Sear</a> calls <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=assarion" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=assarion" rel="nofollow">assarion</a> are called <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron" rel="nofollow">tetarteron</a> by Simon</p><p><a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=bendall" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=bendall" rel="nofollow">Bendall</a>. The word <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=assarion" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=assarion" rel="nofollow">assarion</a> means "smallest," so it appears to be a</p><p>nickname for the <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron" rel="nofollow">tetarteron</a>. The <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=assaria" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=assaria" rel="nofollow">assaria</a> and tetartera that I have seen</p><p>are flat coins, not <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=3196" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=3196" rel="nofollow">scyphate</a>.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tornese" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tornese" rel="nofollow">Tornese</a> appears to be a <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=Numismatic%20French" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=Numismatic%20French" rel="nofollow">French</a> name for a <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=billon" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=billon" rel="nofollow">billon</a> coin that was applied</p><p>to low <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=denomination" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=denomination" rel="nofollow">denomination</a> <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=99" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=99" rel="nofollow">Byzantine coins</a> whose name in that culture we are</p><p>not sure of. It appears that <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tornese" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tornese" rel="nofollow">Tornese</a> are <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=billon" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=billon" rel="nofollow">billon</a>, where tetartera are</p><p>copper.</p><p><br /></p><p>The AE <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=stamenon" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=stamenon" rel="nofollow">stamenon</a> appears to be a word applied to <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=billon" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=billon" rel="nofollow">billon</a> and copper</p><p>trachea. These coins are <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=3196" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=3196" rel="nofollow">scyphate</a> (the word <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=3196" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=3196" rel="nofollow">scyphate</a>, btw, is a</p><p>descriptive word for <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=cup" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=cup" rel="nofollow">cup</a> shaped coins).</p><p><br /></p><p>The follaro was the Byzantine Empire's last copper coin, struck after</p><p>the other coins were no longer minted. The follaro is too tiny and to</p><p>thin a coin to be <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=3196" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=3196" rel="nofollow">scyphate</a>. Its name is also an <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=Numismatic%20Italian" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=Numismatic%20Italian" rel="nofollow">Italian</a> word for a coin</p><p>whose actual name in the Byzantine culture we do not know, but I suspect</p><p>that the <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=99&pos=0" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=99&pos=0" rel="nofollow">Byzantines</a> called it a <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=follis" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=follis" rel="nofollow">follis</a>, even though this tiny crude coin</p><p>was a far cry from the <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=follis" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=follis" rel="nofollow">follis</a> coins of the early empire.</p><p><br /></p><p>--Chris Connell[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="BenSi, post: 7355460, member: 95174"]I think the late time period has a lot less uniformity in the names of denominations. Different Authors , different names for a multitude of reasons. I posted a similar question in 2002 on Yahoo Groups and Forum Ancient Coins. The best response I got was from a Great Byzantine Collector who ended up aiding me on several of my questions. [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tornese']Tornese[/URL], assiarion ,follaro, [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=stamenon']stamenon[/URL], are they concaved coins? What is the aprox size for each? Was the Assiaron just a name change for the [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron']tetarteron[/URL] or was it a totally different coin? Thanks. The best reply. The coins that David [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=sear']Sear[/URL] calls [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=assarion']assarion[/URL] are called [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron']tetarteron[/URL] by Simon [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=bendall']Bendall[/URL]. The word [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=assarion']assarion[/URL] means "smallest," so it appears to be a nickname for the [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron']tetarteron[/URL]. The [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=assaria']assaria[/URL] and tetartera that I have seen are flat coins, not [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=3196']scyphate[/URL]. [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tornese']Tornese[/URL] appears to be a [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=Numismatic%20French']French[/URL] name for a [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=billon']billon[/URL] coin that was applied to low [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=denomination']denomination[/URL] [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=99']Byzantine coins[/URL] whose name in that culture we are not sure of. It appears that [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tornese']Tornese[/URL] are [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=billon']billon[/URL], where tetartera are copper. The AE [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=stamenon']stamenon[/URL] appears to be a word applied to [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=billon']billon[/URL] and copper trachea. These coins are [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=3196']scyphate[/URL] (the word [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=3196']scyphate[/URL], btw, is a descriptive word for [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=cup']cup[/URL] shaped coins). The follaro was the Byzantine Empire's last copper coin, struck after the other coins were no longer minted. The follaro is too tiny and to thin a coin to be [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=3196']scyphate[/URL]. Its name is also an [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=Numismatic%20Italian']Italian[/URL] word for a coin whose actual name in the Byzantine culture we do not know, but I suspect that the [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=99&pos=0']Byzantines[/URL] called it a [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=follis']follis[/URL], even though this tiny crude coin was a far cry from the [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=follis']follis[/URL] coins of the early empire. --Chris Connell[/QUOTE]
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