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<p>[QUOTE="+VGO.DVCKS, post: 5299775, member: 110504"]Toward the beginning of this month, I ran across several unattributed French feudal coins on French ebay, all from the same, unfamiliar dealer.</p><p>If you go back far enough, this used to be standard practice. Over most of the last couple of decades, especially in France, sellers, both professional and less so, would list unattributed coins as a matter of routine. That was how I wound up with the spine of my French feudal collection.</p><p>Except that this guy was doing the same thing, most of two decades later. It was time to hit the ‘nostalgia’ button. ...Turns out that he specializes in modern coins, and was fine with letting this stuff go for what he could get for it. ...He told me that the best way to duck (um, his) PayPal fees was by way of a “gift.” And, as much as I was looking at, I said, ‘Okay, fine.’</p><p>This was for a total of five coins, all but one (as I like to say) unattributed as the driven snow. …Except, thank you, a measure of trepidation ensued. Right, with Paypay, “gifts” are nonrefundable.</p><p>To cut to the chase, the whole thing got here today. ...How cool was this guy? Very, Very cool. As a group, it’s Mag-Smegging-Nificent. ...But only in the Best Possible sense of the term.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1223324[/ATTACH]</p><p><img src="https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/3uYAAOSwmhtfntri/s-l1600.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>Petit denier /maille of the abbey of Epinal, Lorraine, c. later 12th century. Very selectively published; easiest is this link to the .cgb archive, citing Boudeau, along with another reference with which I have exactly zero familiarity.</p><p><a href="https://www.cgbfr.com/lorraine-epinal-anonyme-denier-tb-,bfe_258153,a.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cgbfr.com/lorraine-epinal-anonyme-denier-tb-,bfe_258153,a.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.cgbfr.com/lorraine-epinal-anonyme-denier-tb-,bfe_258153,a.html</a></p><p>(Who was it on this forum, not long ago, who was talking about how, in contemporaneous northern Europe, the flans were deliberately altered in this way, to provide the distinctive rims you see here? ...If you're reading this, Holler!)</p><p><img src="https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/A34AAOSwh6xflaNm/s-l1600.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/MMsAAOSwNDNflaNe/s-l1600.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>Denier attributed to Hugues IX and X, counts of La Marche (from the notorious Lusignan family, of crusades and baronial revolts) c. 1199-1219-1249. It has the fun detail of the star in the reverse legend, not in Duplessy (cf. 960 /960A), but noted in Poey d’Avant 2609. As such, it’s a duplicate, but the price was right.</p><p>Obv. (from 3 o'clock: ) +VGO COMES.</p><p>Rev. (from 10 o'clock: ) +MARCHIE*.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1223325[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1223326[/ATTACH]</p><p>Champagne: County (and bishopric) of Troyes. Denier of Count Thibaut I, 1066-1089. (Funly contemporaneous to William I, not least since one of his descendants was King Stephen.)</p><p>Obv. Cross, ‘X’ in lower left corner. +[T]RECAS CIVI [TEBO].</p><p>Rev. Neo-carolingian monogram (R V B S --’Robertus?’ or, perhaps, ‘URBS,’ referring, in context, to the town’s status as an episcopal seat).</p><p>+PETVS EPISCOPVS (‘Bishop Peter,’ likely referring to the patron saint of the cathedral.)</p><p>Cf. Adam 148-65; Boudeau 1744, Poey d’Avant 5947, Roberts 4156.</p><p><img src="https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/5gEAAOSwOQ9fuVlr/s-l1600.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Zt0AAOSwJVJfuVll/s-l1600.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>Duchy of Burgundy. Denier of Dijon, c. later Hugues III (1162-1192), Eudes III (1192-1218), and early Hugues IV (1218-1272).</p><p>Obv. Two ‘anniles’ (anchors), pellet and star between them. </p><p>(From 5 o'clock: ) +VGO DVX BVRG: DIE.</p><p>Rev. Cross, pellets in two corners. +DIVIONENSIS.</p><p>Boudeau 1204, Dumas (Le monnayage des ducs de Bourgogne, 1988) 7/1; Poey d’Avant 5661 /Plate 130, no. 19.</p><p><img src="https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/eQsAAOSwW7tflZ8v/s-l1600.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/4zUAAOSwSadflZ82/s-l1600.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Last, the true piece de resistance, my third example of Guy /Gui /Wido, Count of Ponthieu 1053-1100. One of a select few people to appear on the Bayeux Tapestry by name (‘VVIDO,’ as it’s rendered here).</p><p>Obv. (from 4 0'clock: ) +VVI[DO COMES].</p><p>Rev. Degraded neo-Carolingian monogram (likely of Eudes, the Robertian king, 887-898). +A[BBATIS VILL]A.</p><p>Boudeau 1925, Poey d’Avant 6695; cf. Roberts 4382. (Badly blundered legends on both sides; regarding what the minter was too hungover to strike up, you're not missing much.)</p><p>You're cordially welcome to post anything you think is of relevance. ...To, heck, I don't know, the 11th-13th centuries ACE (...anywhere), or, what, maybe the holidays. Honest, be as subjective about the criteria as you care to.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="+VGO.DVCKS, post: 5299775, member: 110504"]Toward the beginning of this month, I ran across several unattributed French feudal coins on French ebay, all from the same, unfamiliar dealer. If you go back far enough, this used to be standard practice. Over most of the last couple of decades, especially in France, sellers, both professional and less so, would list unattributed coins as a matter of routine. That was how I wound up with the spine of my French feudal collection. Except that this guy was doing the same thing, most of two decades later. It was time to hit the ‘nostalgia’ button. ...Turns out that he specializes in modern coins, and was fine with letting this stuff go for what he could get for it. ...He told me that the best way to duck (um, his) PayPal fees was by way of a “gift.” And, as much as I was looking at, I said, ‘Okay, fine.’ This was for a total of five coins, all but one (as I like to say) unattributed as the driven snow. …Except, thank you, a measure of trepidation ensued. Right, with Paypay, “gifts” are nonrefundable. To cut to the chase, the whole thing got here today. ...How cool was this guy? Very, Very cool. As a group, it’s Mag-Smegging-Nificent. ...But only in the Best Possible sense of the term. [ATTACH=full]1223324[/ATTACH] [IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/3uYAAOSwmhtfntri/s-l1600.jpg[/IMG] Petit denier /maille of the abbey of Epinal, Lorraine, c. later 12th century. Very selectively published; easiest is this link to the .cgb archive, citing Boudeau, along with another reference with which I have exactly zero familiarity. [URL]https://www.cgbfr.com/lorraine-epinal-anonyme-denier-tb-,bfe_258153,a.html[/URL] (Who was it on this forum, not long ago, who was talking about how, in contemporaneous northern Europe, the flans were deliberately altered in this way, to provide the distinctive rims you see here? ...If you're reading this, Holler!) [IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/A34AAOSwh6xflaNm/s-l1600.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/MMsAAOSwNDNflaNe/s-l1600.jpg[/IMG] Denier attributed to Hugues IX and X, counts of La Marche (from the notorious Lusignan family, of crusades and baronial revolts) c. 1199-1219-1249. It has the fun detail of the star in the reverse legend, not in Duplessy (cf. 960 /960A), but noted in Poey d’Avant 2609. As such, it’s a duplicate, but the price was right. Obv. (from 3 o'clock: ) +VGO COMES. Rev. (from 10 o'clock: ) +MARCHIE*. [ATTACH=full]1223325[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1223326[/ATTACH] Champagne: County (and bishopric) of Troyes. Denier of Count Thibaut I, 1066-1089. (Funly contemporaneous to William I, not least since one of his descendants was King Stephen.) Obv. Cross, ‘X’ in lower left corner. +[T]RECAS CIVI [TEBO]. Rev. Neo-carolingian monogram (R V B S --’Robertus?’ or, perhaps, ‘URBS,’ referring, in context, to the town’s status as an episcopal seat). +PETVS EPISCOPVS (‘Bishop Peter,’ likely referring to the patron saint of the cathedral.) Cf. Adam 148-65; Boudeau 1744, Poey d’Avant 5947, Roberts 4156. [IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/5gEAAOSwOQ9fuVlr/s-l1600.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Zt0AAOSwJVJfuVll/s-l1600.jpg[/IMG] Duchy of Burgundy. Denier of Dijon, c. later Hugues III (1162-1192), Eudes III (1192-1218), and early Hugues IV (1218-1272). Obv. Two ‘anniles’ (anchors), pellet and star between them. (From 5 o'clock: ) +VGO DVX BVRG: DIE. Rev. Cross, pellets in two corners. +DIVIONENSIS. Boudeau 1204, Dumas (Le monnayage des ducs de Bourgogne, 1988) 7/1; Poey d’Avant 5661 /Plate 130, no. 19. [IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/eQsAAOSwW7tflZ8v/s-l1600.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/4zUAAOSwSadflZ82/s-l1600.jpg[/IMG] Last, the true piece de resistance, my third example of Guy /Gui /Wido, Count of Ponthieu 1053-1100. One of a select few people to appear on the Bayeux Tapestry by name (‘VVIDO,’ as it’s rendered here). Obv. (from 4 0'clock: ) +VVI[DO COMES]. Rev. Degraded neo-Carolingian monogram (likely of Eudes, the Robertian king, 887-898). +A[BBATIS VILL]A. Boudeau 1925, Poey d’Avant 6695; cf. Roberts 4382. (Badly blundered legends on both sides; regarding what the minter was too hungover to strike up, you're not missing much.) You're cordially welcome to post anything you think is of relevance. ...To, heck, I don't know, the 11th-13th centuries ACE (...anywhere), or, what, maybe the holidays. Honest, be as subjective about the criteria as you care to.[/QUOTE]
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