Medusa of the Gorgons

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  1. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Artist & Historian Supporter

    I decided to review my Seleucid coins after seeing David@PCC ’s interesting post about his recently acquired unpublished coins. These are some that I purchased about two years ago but only last night realized that the profile on the obverse side is Medusa.

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    Feel free to post your ancients that contain elements or imagery that you only discovered much later.

     
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  3. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Hey, Hey, Deacon Ray-

    Amazing graphics as usual, and cool coins!

    Is that Uma Thurman as the second medusa in the thumbnails below?
     
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  4. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    I don't have any medusas (medusae?), but I always thought the portrait of Helios on this coin was a bit medusa-esque, with those flowing and rather squiggly-looking locks of hair...

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  5. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Thanks for the depictions of Medusa @Deacon Ray. I'll throw in the Medusa - Perseus fight from Clash of the Titans (1981).

     
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  6. svessien

    svessien Senior Member

    I think that’s from the first Percy Jackson movie, one of the favorite book/movie series of my daughter.

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    For years, I thought this was Janus on obverse. While cataloging my coins last year, I discovered that it is (considered to be) the janiform head of the Discouri. I tend to forget that again, it’s funny when you have to adjust your memory and perception. Or, as Jean Piaget called it, create a new schema.
     
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  7. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Artist & Historian Supporter

    Thanks, @lordmarcovan and yes it’s Uma Thurman in “Percy Jackson & The Olympians: The Lightning Thief.”
     
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  8. NewStyleKing

    NewStyleKing Beware of Greeks bearing wreaths

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    Athens New Style Tetradrachm c 95/4 BC
    Obs : Athena Parthenos right in tri-form helmet
    28.5mm 16.76 gm Thompson issue (New) 66
    Thompson catalogue: 937a ? (not in plates)
    Rev : ΑΘΕ ethnic
    Owl standing on overturned panathenaic amphora
    on which month mark Γ control MH below
    3 magistrates : NIKETES DIONYSIOS MENE
    RF symbol : Gorgon Head
    All surrounded by an olive wreath

    Believed to be a reference to Mithridates ancestry.
     
  9. David@PCC

    David@PCC allcoinage.com

    That's an angry looking Medusa Deacon Ray. Here is an obscure one Mallus.
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    Antiochus IV
    Mint: Mallus
    Denomination D
    175 to 164 BC
    Obvs: Winged Medusa right, fillet border.
    Revs: BAΣIΛEΩΣ on right ANTIOXOY on left, Nike standing left holding wreath. Fillet border.
    AE 15mm, 1.85g
    Ref: SC 1384; HGC 9, 716(R2-3)
     
  10. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Lovely examples and display DR:artist::singing:
    Some also attribute the type as Alexander the great wearing a winged cap. Though it is probably wishful thinking and more likely Medusa.
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    When it comes to recent revelations, I gotta admit I'd always just gotten off with the coins description of another creeper, the running/ kneeling satyr.
    Then recently @TIF had pointed out what my eyes should have picked up on, the bent elbow of the satyr does indeed appear to indicate the dirty dude is VERY pleased with himself! A horses ears, tail and hair on his palms:facepalm::hilarious:
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  11. Only a Poor Old Man

    Only a Poor Old Man Well-Known Member

    Surely, my little gorgon feels right at home in this thread!

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  12. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    Great poster Ray , I like it. Yeah, thats what I think Ryro. Looks like an Alexander young portrait.
    Looks like Seleukos was honering his former chief in command.
    but what do I know.

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  13. jdmKY

    jdmKY Well-Known Member

    D410509F-A73F-4753-89FD-F2615E6E058D.jpeg BBE3E604-9664-475E-8431-EB63ABD1EA5F.jpeg Here’s my Medusa (in center of aegis)
    Rufus 46 BC
     
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  14. Terence Cheesman

    Terence Cheesman Well-Known Member

    L Plautius Plancus Ar Denarius 47 BC Obv Facing head of Medusa Rv,Aurora flying right head facing left holding the reins of the four horses of the Sun. Crawford 453/1a CRI 29 3.87 grms 18 mm Photo by W. Hansen 453-c.jpg I think this is one of the most interesting and complicated designs in the whole Republican series and one that is very difficult to acquire with the reverse more or less all there. Though this one's reverse is somewhat OC all the horses are visible and reasonably well struck up. Usually when I discuss a coin I often refer to "the money side" That usually indicates that in my mind one side is much more interesting than the other. This coin is one of those that both sides are interesting making it even more difficult to find a decent one.
     
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  15. DiomedesofArgos

    DiomedesofArgos Well-Known Member


    Awesome coin! I have a few of the Pontic Greek Aegis coins. I'll have to add this coin type to my wishlist
     
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  16. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Artist & Historian Supporter

    Thanks for your comments and interesting thoughts about the profile on the obverse side. I’m beginning to have second thoughts about the Medusa description given in some of the acsearch listings. Alexander or Hercules sound like good possibilities.
     
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  17. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I agree 100% but have to add there are a few other considerations here. The style on the Medusa varies a lot on these with some dies being gorgeous while others make her look like she had a bad night on the town. Others are just poorly executed in amateur style. There are two variations - with and without snakes flanking the face of Medusa. Perfect centering can be a problem if the flan is small and that loses the legends at the bottom of each side. Neither of my coins is overall good but, like 90% of these, each has something that made me want it.
    Reasonable style with the snake clear on one side, centered reverse loses all the legend, worn:
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    No snakes, good style if you like eyes with a slightly drunken look, full legend, flat reverse top missing top horse head, uneven strike r27570bb2346.jpg

    I doubt I will ever find a complete replacement for these two but I can see them being joined by coins with different faults.
     
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  18. Nvb

    Nvb Well-Known Member

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    Moneyer issues of Imperatorial Rome. L. Plautius Plancus. 47 BC.
    AR Denarius
    20.5mm, 3.90 g, 7h
    Rome mint. Facing mask of Medusa with disheveled hair; coiled serpents flanking / Aurora flying right, conducting four horses of the sun and holding palm frond. Cf. Crawford 453/1a-b, d-e; CRI 29; cf. Sydenham 959, 959a; cf. Plautia 15, 15a-c;cf. RBW 1583-4. Lustrous, marks and scratches, large flan/metal flaw on reverse, weakly struck in areas. Good VF.


    The coin below gets an honourable mention just for the resemblance.. we all know it is Athena facing but that’s some snakey looking hair if you ask me :)
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    CILICIA, Tarsos. Balakros.
    Satrap of Cilicia, 333-323 BC. AR Stater . Baaltars seated left, holding lotus-tipped scepter; grain ear and grape bunch to left, ivy leaf to right, T below seat / Draped bust of Athena facing slightly left, wearing triple-crested Attic helmet, single-pendant earring, and necklace. SNG France 367–9 var
     
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  19. jdmKY

    jdmKY Well-Known Member

    971E0683-8F3F-4975-A110-9BA44238A9B1.jpeg 682990C3-64A3-4320-B347-E9F9CA64D579.jpeg Here’s another example, note how the reverse has problems unlike Terence’s beauty above
     
  20. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ..now yer talkin'...i got this lil beauty in the year of 2020, 1st hole and all...it would have made an excellent jewel ornament to be worn in battle, or any time ..:D L. Plautiius Plancus Roman Republic 47BC 001.JPG L. Plautiius Plancus Roman Republic 47BC 002.JPG
     
  21. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ..i may have to watch that again~ good movie and the featured works of the master of stop motion, Ray Harryhausen...:)
     
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