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Message:: [QUOTE="+VGO.DVCKS, post: 7963992, member: 110504"]Fascinating double-strike on the Angevin penny, [USER=72790]@kevin McGonigal[/USER].  You have to wonder how hungover the minter was.  It would probably take more of the obverse to squint out the class (often --wish you could stop me-- datable within a small handful of years in any given reign), never mind confirming which one.But [USER=76733]@Kiaora[/USER] nailed the reverse.  From nothing more fraught than Spink (2015), the possibilities for moneyers in London whose names end in "-ER," for the whole 'short cross' issue, spanning late Henry II -early Henry III, would appear to be: Henry II (who started the issue; 1180-1189: ) Aimer.Richard: Aimer again.John: Ilger, Rener, Walter.Henry III (1216 to his 'voided long cross' reform of 1247): Ilger again.Even with the chronological /regnal ambiguity, it's a Very cool example of what could happen at the mint, on somebody's bad day. The one on the left is a civic issue of Strasbourg, c. 14th-16th c.  The legends go:"+GL[ORI]A IN EXCELS[IS] D[E]O;" "MONETA ARGENT."The only reference I can cite from print is Roberts, The Silver Coins of Medieval France, 9070.  That's a variant, with "ARGENS" instead of "ARGENT."  But if you go back far enough, I had one with the same legend as your example.[/QUOTE]