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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Severus Alexander, post: 8234938, member: 84744&quot;]Interesting thought!&nbsp; You may be right! </p><p><br /></p><p>As far as the overall design goes, [USER=110504]@+VGO.DVCKS[/USER]&#039;s thought is right that it derives from earlier (heavier) folles from Antioch.&nbsp; It&#039;s a design that persists for a while.&nbsp; Here&#039;s a Tancred coin, 3.35g (1101-1112):</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1448469[/ATTACH] </p><p>(Looking at my coin&#039;s reverse, upside down again, makes me wonder if it doesn&#039;t have that crossed T that we see in the 4 o&#039;clock quadrant on the above coin?)</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1448470[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Maybe worn versions of the Tancred coins were still circulating in Antioch a century and a half later, but illegible and so hard to copy? (Most that you see are pretty hard to read.) </p><p><br /></p><p>Here&#039;s another interesting comparison, <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=7452590" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=7452590" rel="nofollow">a coin minted by the Armenian king Levon I</a> early in the 13th century in preparation for a takeover of Antioch which never happened.&nbsp; These coins were meant for circulation in the conquered city:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1448471[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>The Tancred design ultimately derives from Byzantine anonymous folles.&nbsp; <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=8909244" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=8909244" rel="nofollow">Here&#039;s a heavy imitation</a> (4.43g) that probably circulated in the area.&nbsp; Note the eight-sided flan, which is typical of the late Antioch folles:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1448472[/ATTACH] </p><p>And another, lighter (1.68g) imitation, possibly 13th century and close to my coin&#039;s weight standard:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1448474[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>And finally, <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=8419291" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=8419291" rel="nofollow">here&#039;s another issue from Antioch</a> from around the same time as mine, this time with Arabic on the obverse, reading &quot;fals Antak&quot; (still considered a crusader issue, though I&#039;m not sure why it couldn&#039;t be a post-sack coin):</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1448476[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Anyway, lots to think about, and a fun series![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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