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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;+VGO.DVCKS, post: 8101960, member: 110504&quot;][USER=56653]@seth77[/USER], even your questions are erudite.&nbsp; Couldn&#039;t tell you a thing about current research; from here, you&#039;re the go-to guy for that.</p><p>But on a more prosaic note, between a look at Duplessy and biographies of Henry (Warren) and Richard (Gillingham), its looks suspiciously as if Henry&#039;s issue, including the title &#039;REX,&#039; postdated his coronation in 1154.&nbsp; (In the interval, of course, King Stephen still would have been on the throne, barring any co-coronation with Henry&#039;s (uncrowned) father, Geoffroi IV &#039;le Bel&#039; of Anjou.)&nbsp; The following reign provides a numismatic hint.&nbsp; Richard&#039;s deniers as count of Poitou /Poitiers include the title &#039;REX,&#039; while his issues as Duke of Aquitaine (from 1169; prior to his coronation in 1199) do not.&nbsp; ...During the 11th-12th centuries, coronations of male heirs as co-kings was actively in the dynastic repertoire not only in Germany, but in Capetian France and Angevin England.&nbsp; --But, relative to Germany, on a much more selective basis.</p><p>This brings us back to my favorite, if obvious hobby-horse; the wonder of coins (not least medieval ones) as historical documents.&nbsp; The written, legal ones are of primary value for genealogy precisely because they were legal in nature; inheritances were at stake, and strict accuracy of the facts on the ground, generally within a generational interval which was readily within common memory, was of paramount importance.&nbsp; There are good posts here, some of them by yours truly, on the coins of Richard both as count of Poitou and duke of Aquitaine.</p><p>...And while we&#039;re in the dynastic weeds about Angevins, I just won this.&nbsp; (I know it&#039;s bad luck to post things before they&#039;re in yer hot lickle hand.&nbsp; So far as risk factors are concerned, I for one deal with more than that on a daily basis.)</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1408855[/ATTACH]</p><p>Frankish Levant; Principality of Antioch.&nbsp; AE fractional denier.</p><p>Rev.&nbsp; Altar with four legs, chalice and cross above; diamond and pellet to either side.&nbsp; Open oval below, with pellets to either side.</p><p>+A.NTIOCHIE</p><p>Obv. +PRINCEPS, &#039;S&#039; retrograde.&nbsp; Malloy (1st ed., 1994), p. 204 (Antioch), 18.</p><p><br /></p><p>For those of us who &#039;do&#039; the Crusades period, whether as collectors or (often enough --Teacher, I Raise My Hand), amateur numismatists and students of history, the numismatic absence of Fulk V of Anjou (Henry II&#039;s grandfather), other than by means of immobilizations in the county of Anjou (naming a still earlier Fulk), might pose a systemmic problem.</p><p>This was the nearest I could get.&nbsp; It was Fulk V, as king of Jerusalem (from which point he abdicated the county of Anjou to his son, Henry II&#039;s dad), who arranged the marriage of Raymond of Poitiers to the heiress of Antioch, making Raymond the prince by marriage.&nbsp; --As Fulk had become King.&nbsp; And this guy (Raymond) is from the old neighborhood.&nbsp; Can you say, Nepotism?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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