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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;+VGO.DVCKS, post: 7885806, member: 110504&quot;]Hi again, [USER=74712]@FitzNigel[/USER]!&nbsp; Welp, it&#039;s still mid-afternoon out here, and I can be of some measure of help with sources for DeShazo&#039;s prototype.&nbsp; ...For openers, your skepticism makes easy, intuitive sense.&nbsp; If, as a collector, I weren&#039;t wired the same way, I might venture to call it admirable.</p><p>But the same prototype appears in Roberts, <u>The Silver Coins of Medieval France</u> (Attic Books, 1996).&nbsp; ...Yes, in a not dissimilar vein, it&#039;s easy (and fun) to look down on Roberts as a reference, but his bibliography is pretty impressive.&nbsp; He attributes this, unambiguously, to Lothaire, with possible mints of Saint-Philibert, Tournus (neighboring mints in the Duchy of Burgundy), or Jumieges (&quot;Carolingian Issues,&quot; #1836).&nbsp; For this, he cites Fougeres and Conbrouse, <u>Description complete et raisonnee des monnaies de la deuxieme race royal</u> [Carolingian vs. Merovingian] (Paris, 1837).</p><p>Here&#039;s one place where it gets interesting.&nbsp; For his plate, DeShazo cites another work of the same century, Gariel, <u>Les monnaies royales de France</u> (Strasbourg, 1883).&nbsp; Two features immediately emerge.&nbsp; On one hand, the plates are unmistakably of the same issue, with effectively identical legends, and&nbsp; with the pellets in each angle of the obverse cross --evoking one of the distinctive features of 10th-11th c. Norman issues.&nbsp; <i>And </i>they&#039;re no less unmistakably variant examples, replete with nuanced, but mutually very plausible differences in the legends&#039; punctuation.</p><p>It&#039;s no wonder that, of the published options, DeShazo gravitated to Jumieges,&nbsp; a monastery in Normandy, and the namesake of an important chronicler. But there are several towns, both in Normandy and elsewhere in France, named St.-Philibert.&nbsp; ...Given that, very much to your point, the research is effectively ongoing in real time, where earlier medieval is concerned, I&#039;m still voting (Yep, Only Once) for DeShazo&#039;s principal thesis. </p><p>In other news, [USER=10461]@lordmarcovan[/USER], Hearty Congrats on getting such a resonantly solid example, from somebody you&#039;ve been needing representation of for a long minute!&nbsp; ...Something else fun about the issue is that, since ones of John Balliol are so scarce (suggesting a low initial mintage), and Robert the Bruce didn&#039;t issue coins until a ways into his reign, these would have been the primary coin in circulation all the way from Alexander&#039;s own reign, to the rising of Wallace, to the Battle of Bannockburn (...right, in 1314).</p><p>...While we&#039;re on books, here&#039;s one I hope you have: Trequair, <u>Freedom&#039;s Sword: Scotland&#039;s Wars of Independence</u> (Niwot, Colorado: Roberts Rinehart, 1998).[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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