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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;+VGO.DVCKS, post: 7696602, member: 110504&quot;]Wow.&nbsp; [USER=107503]@VD76[/USER], I&#039;m&nbsp; still downoading the full gestalt of how late and correspondingly rare those are.&nbsp; Kind of amazing.&nbsp; ...Yeah, kind of.&nbsp; Congratulations both on having found them, and having found them the right home.</p><p>...Except, especially having taken all day to get here, I&#039;m not done with the fan mail.&nbsp; [USER=56653]@seth77[/USER], you&#039;re owed cordial thanks for your typically incisive observations on this interval in the Antioch series (my ostensible favorite; Bohemond iV-V, with Roupen in between), and your fluency in the recent journal literature.</p><p>[USER=90248]@Spaniard[/USER] and [USER=99456]@Sulla80[/USER], That&#039;s variously Some of the, or just The, Stuff.&nbsp; As ignorant of South Asian coins as I am (--thanks to the likes of you, all I know was learned right here), the nuances of stylization, where the primary motifs are concerned, Has to evoke French Feudal coins of a readily comparable interval.&nbsp; Not sure if the chelating techniques were remotely the same (in French Feudal, they were punches --an odd European anticipation of movable type), but the underlying consonances --not so much in terms of the original esthetic sensibilities as the ways in which, by means of the motifs, they were perpetuated, by means of similar, ongoing adaptation.</p><p>[USER=74712]@FitzNigel[/USER], your Baldwin IX is Terrific.&nbsp; Wish I had pics of mine.&nbsp; --Not that it&#039;s so much better, or something, mind you!</p><p>...Right, so I just landed this, from one of several reliable dealers on French ebay (whose facilite en anglais runs heavily to being better que mon en francais).&nbsp; It&#039;s a relatively early variant of the deniers of the Abbey of Souvigny, featuring the patron saint, Mayeul, a 10th-century Cluniac abbot who died in the abbey of Souvigny.</p><p>...Except, back to the chronology of the coins themselves, Not by Much, at least according to Duplessy: late 12th c., vs. the commoner subtype, with the narrower face, which he dates to the early 13th c.&nbsp; ...This is Duplessy 784A, &#039;variete avec oreilles.&#039;&nbsp; ...Nope, that&#039;s what <i>he </i>said.</p><p>...Watch how thereverse legend, &#039;+SILVINIACO,&#039; both evokes a rural setting, from the (available) Latin, And eventually gets morphed, in French, as &#039;Souvigny.&#039;</p><p>...Inviting the question, on a purely linguistic level: <i>Why</i> did the French mess with Latin to this extent?&nbsp; My only answer (apart from the intervening occupation by Germanic tribes) would be that, following half a millennium of Roman occupation, they kind of thought it was time to do whatever they --merci, mon ami-- wanted.&nbsp; ...Among the myriad languages I will need another life to learn, French is Waaay up there, vaguely on the top shelf.&nbsp; [ATTACH=full]1321127[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1321128[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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