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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;+VGO.DVCKS, post: 7517385, member: 110504&quot;]At extreme risk of pedantry --especially since you, [USER=89687]@ominus1[/USER], will know all of this-- the flat-topped, full-face helm dates from around the end of the 12th century to the middle of the 13th, after which it starts to get rounder at the top, as you already noted.</p><p>What I have in print is an old BM monograph --from the same two weeks in London mentioned above-- <u>Arms and Armour in England</u> (1969 /1970), and an Osprey booklet, <u>English Medieval Knight</u> (Christopher Gravett, 2002).</p><p>But, Yeah, the distinction is important for the chronology.&nbsp; Richard I&#039;s second seal (post-1195) shows one with a crest (from Wikimedia Commons):</p><p><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Seal_of_Richard_I.jpg/181px-Seal_of_Richard_I.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>Here&#039;s a chess piece, c. 1250, showing the same without a crest (from the same place).&nbsp; Not the same one as shows up in both of the booklets, but good enough.</p><p><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Chess_Piece_in_the_Form_of_a_Knight_MET_DT225439.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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