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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;seth77, post: 6401320, member: 56653&quot;]Tzamalis mentions the old theory of 1249 and discards it, putting forth the proposition of a starting in production a bit earlier than the conclusion of the treaty of Viterbo pp. 62-3; later on (p. 99) he entertains the possibility that a start was between Metcalf&#039;s theoretically proposed date of 1262 (after Guillaume&#039;s return from Byzantine captivity) but is more favorable to 1267. Baker and Ponting double on that in their The early period of minting deniers tournois in the Principality of Achaia (to 1289) and their relation to the Duchy of Athens (NC, 2001) right from the get-go on p. 209. The article of Guy Sanders you can read for free on <a href="https://www.academia.edu/19725978/Dating_Frankish_Coins_with_Pottery_Coin_Circulation_in_Corinth_ca_A_D_1210_1314_1st_draft" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.academia.edu/19725978/Dating_Frankish_Coins_with_Pottery_Coin_Circulation_in_Corinth_ca_A_D_1210_1314_1st_draft" rel="nofollow">academia</a>.</p><p><br /></p><p>Sanudo is noted for being confusing and having made mistakes apart from the 1249 tournois story -- for instance he confuses Robert with Peter of Courtenay and their direct involvement in the affairs of Greece, particularly on when Achaea was made into a Principality. Chronicles do make mistakes, another quotable source for earlier numismatists, &quot;The Chronicle of the Morea&quot; asserts for instance that Guy I de la Roche was made Duke by Louis IX in 1259 (but it wasn&#039;t until 1280 that Athens was nominally a duchy).</p><p><br /></p><p>I&#039;m sorry my previous comment made you <b>Ha,...Ha</b> and <b>Ahem</b> but we can&#039;t always relay on chronicles and be stuck in their presuppositions forever, even when other venues of research tell us otherwise. If we do that then we are, <b>ahem, wrong</b>.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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