Message:

<p>[QUOTE=&quot;+VGO.DVCKS, post: 5376022, member: 110504&quot;]...Except, Woops, it&#039;s still Monday in this part of the world.</p><p>This happened on American ebay between Christmas and New Year&#039;s.&nbsp; Yes, I have this history of snarky comments about these people.&nbsp; But this is one instance of making the pathological ignorance of sellers <i>work</i> for you.&nbsp; ...Thank you, that many of us have done this, in more and less similar contexts.&nbsp; It was priced for Exactly the same as all of the other, equally underattribed (and otherwise overpriced) stuff was.</p><p><img src="https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/0tMAAOSw2Glf7MfX/s-l1600.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/VjsAAOSwWx1f7MfD/s-l1600.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" />Seigneurie de Celles, Robert I, denier bleso-chartrain /chinonais, c. 1178-1189.</p><p>Obv.&nbsp; Bleso-chartrain profile, &#039;semble a celles de Saint-Aignan.&#039;</p><p>Rev.&nbsp; +ROB[&#039;] DE CELE.&nbsp; (Duplessy 611; the earlier of two listed variants.&nbsp; --The similarity of both subtypes, from St.-Aignan and Celles, to their shared prototypes from the neighboring county of Blois, is unmistakable.)</p><p>...From this point, we&#039;re done with the numismatics, for a minute, and get to venture a little further into the weeds of the historical context.&nbsp; (High boots.)&nbsp; The main project was to figure out who this guy was.</p><p>The first thing I ran smack into was that, as a historical feudal polity, &#039;Celles&#039; defies easy finding.&nbsp; Online, or in available references in print.&nbsp; (Mostly about the reign of Philippe II, and all in Englsih.)</p><p>....And, if you were me, this might be where you would need otherwise humiliating references, running to Roberts (cf. 5133 for Duplessy&#039;s variant, 611A), and, worse yet, French Wiki for where, what, and for whom this place was.</p><p>Turns out that en francais, the prevailing modern orthography for &#039;Celles&#039; is &#039;Selles.&#039;&nbsp; French&nbsp; Wiki to the rescue:</p><p>fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Château_de_Selles-sur-Cher</p><p>From there, it was relatively easy to find the operant &#039;Robert de Celles.&#039;&nbsp; ...Even where you might <i>want </i>to.&nbsp; Including <u>Medieval Lands</u>, the invaluable online reference for European genaelogy.&nbsp; Where the author, Charles Cawley, unfailingly cites published primary sources, along with conspicuously responsible secondary ones.</p><p><a href="https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chamsensjoi.htm#_Toc493315913" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chamsensjoi.htm#_Toc493315913" rel="nofollow">https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chamsensjoi.htm#_Toc493315913</a></p><p>Except that, the weirdness is that this guy got this relatively minor segneurie at the beginning of his life, and it was of so little importance that mostly No one paid any attention to it.&nbsp; Starting with him.</p><p>Yeah, well, Anyway, That was fun.&nbsp; ...And, Yep, on this coast, it&#039;s still very, very, Thank You (--all of these demographic stereotypes are&nbsp; involuntarily taking up otherwise valuable brain space--), Monday evening.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

Your name or email address:

Do you already have an account?

• No, create an account now.
• Yes, my password is:
• Forgot your password?

Stay logged in