Medieval Monday!

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by FitzNigel, Sep 14, 2020.

  1. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Chola Kingdom/ S. India
    AV Kahavanu ND/ NM
    Raja Raja I 985-1014 1793a93ade3daa6d9f132b046163cd98.jpg
     
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  3. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    I love these square dirhams, but have yet to acquire any.

    (And btw - congrats on Bing the 1000th post on this thread!)
     
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  4. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    I'd like to second @Orielensis about medieval Iberia. The combination and even synergy of the cultural dynamics, especially over the 11th and 12th c. CE, are compelling.
    Here's a reduced /half dinar of Al-Malik, emir of the taifa of Valencia 1061-65 CE (Vives 1078). COINS, IBERIA, TAIFA OF VALENCIA, AL-MALIK, HALF DINAR, VIVES 1078,  ,.JPG
     
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  5. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    I was going to share a Muslim coin to keep with the theme, but the only one I haven’t shared yet, I don’t have a picture of (at least not yet…). So here is a Norman coin from southern Italy with Arabic:
    Med-14-INSic-1166-William II-Fol-Messina-373e.jpg Norman Italy - Sicily
    William II, r. 1166-1189
    Messina Mint, Second Copper Follaro, 13.18 mm x 2.4 grams
    Obv.: Lion Head
    Rev.: Arabic legend “al-malik / Ghulyalim / al-athani” (King William II)
    Ref.: NCKS 373e, MEC 14.435, cf. De Wit 3810
     
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  6. Chris B

    Chris B Supporter! Supporter

    Here is one that fits my German States collection. One of the few I own that I consider to fit the medieval theme.

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    Anonymous Denar

    ND (983-1002)

    Obverse: +OTTO REX, cross with pellets in each angle
    Reverse: S / [C]OLONIA / A [G] in three lines.

    Weight: 1.34gm

    Struck in the name of Otto III
    Cologne mint
     
  7. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Big second, especially about Bing's 1000th post! You've demonstrated a level of rhetorical restraint that some of us could learn from.
    @FitzNigel, here's my fractional follaro of Guillermo. ...Probably like you, I needed an example of this iconic motif, but wasn't ready for a full follaro.
    NORMAN SICILY, WILLIAM II, FRACTIONAL FOLLARO, ANDREA, NORMAN SICILY, 373.jpg
     
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  8. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    And I only just realized that I somehow typed ‘Bing’ instead of ‘being…’. That’s the problem with typing on a phone…
     
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  9. VD76

    VD76 Well-Known Member

    Haven't posted a while.…. here's some crusader gold
    78618EA0-6AE0-446A-9169-3895F4F24FEF.jpeg 6557FB40-6688-47C0-8820-1AE6398719CA.jpeg
     
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  10. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Chandellas of Jejakabhukti
    Sallakshanavarman I 1097-1110
    AV 4 1/2 Masha 6a7499b22b5348ffeb89b29c4cc13bf9.jpg
     
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  11. Nap

    Nap Well-Known Member

    john-halfpenny-1a-i.jpg
    Halfpenny of John, Lord of Ireland (1177-1216)
    Mint: Dublin
    First coinage, second issue
    S.6205
     
  12. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    nice one! I’m not sure I have seen one that clear before
     
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  13. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Medieval times again...
    Seljuks of Rum
    AV Dinar AH 644 Qonya Mint
    Kayka'us II sole rule 829b3c157adc6d9ff3baa9a2f44ab8cf.jpg
     
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  14. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    This one is fun for the legend. County of Barcelona, Ramon Berenguer, 1096-1131; AR diner (sic).
    SPAIN IBERIA, BARCELONA, RAMON BERENGUER III, 1096-1131, DINER.jpg
    Obv. Fleur de lis; (from 12 o'clock --trust me: ) B/\RCINO. Rev. Cross, annulets in angles. Crusafont, Monedas Espanolas v. 4, 31.1; MEC v. 6, Pl. 4 (and p. 673), 57-60.
    The legend is 'retrograde,' but not merely backwards, as is endemic enough to medieval coins of the 10th-12th centuries. It's outward-facing, like that many Flavian coins --which I also think is cool, although I don't have any of those.
     
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  15. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    Very cool coin @+VGO.DVCKS with a really interesting obverse legend. It reminds me of one of those magic eye books where you just haveto stare asst it long enough to see the legend.

    I've been on a bit of a splurge lately after selling off my Seleucid collection and picked up a couple of nice short cross pennies and a pair of holed coins that have me extremely excited. So excited in fact that I'm finally writing a post to start a thread on a coin.
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  16. Clonecommanderavgvsvs

    Clonecommanderavgvsvs Well-Known Member

    0BCF83AD-3845-418C-B3B5-3F849CF99B11.jpeg Edward ii type 11b penny London mint. Note the w, which is like “v v” instead of a connected W like most Edward ii. It could be an Edward I type 10b but everyone so far has told me it’s an Edward ii of the 11b2 class.
     

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  17. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    @Clonecommanderavgvsvs, you nailed it; that "V V" is a serious anachronism, not only for late classes of Edward I, never mind II. From the later 11th century, here's a denier of Guy (/Wido), count of Ponthieu.
    FRANCIA, PONTHIEU, GUY GUIDO GUI, ODO, AUG 2021, NO. 4, MAYBE, OBV..jpg FRANCIA, PONTHIEU, GUY GUIDO GUI, ODO, AUG 2021, NO. 4, MAYBE, REV..jpg

    ...perfectly corresponding to the rendering of his name in the medieval Latin on the Bayeux Tapestry (sorry for picture; it's from the top left).
    GENEALOGY, GUY de PONTHIEU, BAYEAUX TAPESTRY.jpg
     
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  18. Chris B

    Chris B Supporter! Supporter

    German States

    Emden. Herman von Kalvelage Denar ND (1020-1051),
    Counts of Hamburg mint, Dannenburg-772. 0.56gm. Head right (mounted upside down in holder) / Double Cross with lettering in angles.

    GSEMD102005.jpg
     
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  19. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ..i bought two coins last nite of Louis 11th & 12th...should have them by next show :)
     
  20. Severus Alexander

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    I enjoy these sorts of mistakes in medieval coins. :D Beautiful example!

    I'm quite excited about this new, very ugly acquisition:
    2452044_1640601861.jpg
    Antioch. Anonymous. Follis (Bronze, 0.42 g, 15 mm), circa 1250-1268. A/N/T/I in angles of long cross pattée. Rev. L/Γ/L/7 (?) in angles of long cross pattée. CCS 132. Metcalf, Crusades, -. Wäckerlin 160

    It's among the last, if not the last, Crusader products of the Antioch mint before the sack by Baybars in 1268. It's in pretty decent shape for the type, and I think allows a correction on the reverse legend. Previously thought to be A/N/T/V, I think this specimen makes it clear that isn't right. Supposing the photo is upside down, I've given my interpretation above - basically just a pattern of 90 degree angles - not sure of the meaning, if any.
     
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  21. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Congratulations!

    I have a Louis XII Porcupine coin/ and one from that evil "Spider King" Louis XI/ he was in the "Hunchback of Notre Dame." with Charles Laughton. Also Quentin Durward...
    So will the real Louis step forward.... lf - 2022-02-28T094712.217.jpg lf - 2022-02-28T094729.353.jpg th (6).jpg 3-louis.png Quentin Durward Robert Morley.PNG
     
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