Medieval Monday!

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  1. Bradley Trotter

    Bradley Trotter Well-Known Member

    Here is a coin that is the subject of one of my earliest threads here on Cointalk. I acquired this particular coin in a bag of foreign coins given to me by an aunt of mine in 2015.

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    Patriarchate of Aquileia
    John of Moravia
    AR Denaro 1387 - 1394
     
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  3. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Solid example, @TTerrier. From here, it's looking on the early side, 12th c.
     
  4. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    Henry VII type I halfpenny with open crown and mintmark lis on half rose. A decent example of this rare little coin.
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  5. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    And a second Henry VII type I rarity with fewer than a dozen known, this time a halfgroat. The mintmark is lis struck over only the extreme left of a rose. Probably best equal to lis on half rose as per the previous coin. The exact identity of these early Henry VII marks is not always clear.
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  6. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    Henry VI Rosette-Mascle penny from York ecclesiastical mint under Abp. Kemp.
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  7. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    A recent acquisition. If your city is called Lindau ("linden tree meadow"), it makes sense to have a linden tree on your coinage:
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    Lindau, royal mint, AR bracteate penny, ca. 1295–1335. Obv: linden branch with three leaves and twelve blossoms in fields. Rev: negative design (bracteate). 20mm, 0.37g. Ref: Berger 2528–2531.
     
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  8. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Kingdom of Hungary(sorry/ poor photos/ coin is FDC)
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  9. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    I hve been eyeing these coins from Lindau for some time - hopping to pull the trigger soon. Nice one!
     
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  10. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    1641 Ferdinand lll 3 kreuzter stoccy   Ferdinand lll 003.JPG stoccy   Ferdinand lll 005.JPG
     
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  11. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    I tend to take in interest in German coins around this time of year - this is also roughly the time when I bought the coin I use as my avatar:
    Med-02-GCo-1167-Philip Heinsberg-D-3-1993.jpg HRE - Cologne
    Archbishop Philipp von Heinsberg, r. 1167-1191
    AR Pfennig, 3rd type, 18.05 mm x 1.4 grams
    Obv.: HITARCH EPICOV, Archbishop with mitre, crosier, and bible seated on lion throne;
    Rev.: EIACOLONIA PAICHAI, Three towers over wall and gate, likely representing the Cathedral of St Peter, Cologne
    Ref.: De Wit 1993
     
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  12. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    @FitzNigel, you can post that one as many times as you want!!!! Eck-Ceptional. Almost the 12th c. equivalent of 'Proof.'
     
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  13. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Duchy of Lorraine, Ferri III (1251-1303), petit denier of Nancy.
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    Not the greatest example, but with all the gee-whiz martial bells & whistles you could want; Ferri on horseback, brandishing a sword (identically to any number of contemporary aristocratic seals); mint name, with a mailed arm holding another sword.
    ...Here's one example of a seal, a later one of Pierre 'Mauclerc' de Dreux, after his son had acceded to the duchy of Brittany, c. late 2nd quarter of the 13th century.
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  14. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    From the East
    Dehli Sultanate
    Mohammad III bin Tughluq 1326-51
    AV Tanka ND/ Mint unknown IMG_1023.JPG IMG_1024.JPG
     
  15. svessien

    svessien Senior Member

    I need to throw in my lot with the Medieval Monday too.
    Here’s Aethelred the Unready, one of my favorite monarch names ever:

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    Aethelread the Unready 978-1016 AD. AR Penny

    Reference: Spink 1151

    Weight: Diameter: 19mm Conservation: EF
     
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  16. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    I do like those issues from Lorraine! Such fantastic imagery! I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a petite denier from there before!
     
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  17. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    A lovely example! My Æthelred has some peck marks (which I wanted), and a hole (which I was willing to tolerate):
    Med-09a-Eng-997-Aethelred II-D-LC-Canterbury-Leofric-1151.jpg England
    Athelred II, r. 978-1016 (997-1003)
    Canterbury Mint, AR Long Cross Penny, 19.65 mm x 1.8 grams
    Obv.: +ÆÐELRED REX ANGLO[rum]. Bare-headed bust left
    Rev.: +LEO FRIC MΩO CENT. Voided long cross, each end terminating in three crescents
    Ref.: North 774, SCBC 1151
    Note: Peck marked and holed, likely by the Vikings

    and I already posted this for Medieval Monday once before, so I will need to find another candidate to share. By the way @svessien - ‘the Unready’ as an epithet was a Victorian invention. He was called Æthelred Unræd which was a pun on his name ‘Æthelread’ meaning ‘the well counseled’ and ‘Unræd’ meaning ‘the poorly counseled.’ (Or something like that - it’s been a while)
     
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  18. svessien

    svessien Senior Member

    I have heard the scandinavian word «rådløs» used. It means «without counsel», and can mean that you don’t have the ability to make a decicion, or that you are practically without someone to guide you. It’s interesting that the old word «ræd» and the modern «råd» are so close to each other after 1000 years.

    Nice coin!
     
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  19. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    @FitzNigel, they are fun! Last I knew they were relatively easy to find and not over the top pricewise. I'd recommend holding out for a better example. ...If you found one anywhere near your incredible Philipp von Heinsberg, that would be a real coup. But these enthusiastically continue the whole western German tradition of apalling strikes.
     
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  20. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    @svessien, English is a wild language, merely in the sense that over most of the last millennium --accelerating from the Renaissance and Shakespeare-- it's morphed from an unassuming, unambiguously Germanic language to something almost at the level of an honorary Romance one. ...As languages goo, it's a Sponge!
    (...Oh. "AEthelred" more nearly means "Noble Counsel." As a component of Anglo-Saxon royal names, the component 'AEthel--' is pervasive; a little like "-Amun" in Pharoanic Egyptian ones.)
     
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  21. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    A grand denier of Chartres:

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    AR22x21mm 1.20g grand denier, minted in the city of Chartres around 1000.
    + CARTIS CIVITAS; cross
    Chartraine tete/monogramme de Raoul degeneree, with three besants
    Poey d'Avant 1731, Boudeau 206, Duplessy 431


    This is the issue that stabilizes the feudal coinage at Chartres, under Eudes I and Thibaut II de Blois, marking the typology that would continue off and on until the early 14th century.

    These grand deniers are specific of the late 10th century early 11th and served as blueprints for countless immobilizations on lower flans and weights. Both Poey d'Avant and Boudeau place this issue at the beginning of the series for feudal Chartres.

    A discussion about the origin of the reverse design with the controversy between the "bleso-chartraine tete" (a stylized effigy of a royal bust, stemming likely from Chinon) and the premeditated degeneration of the monogram of King Raoul (923-936) can be read here.

    Similar specimen here.
     
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