Medieval Monday!

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  1. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    Scandinavian imitation of a Cnut penny. Struck in Lund, Sweden.
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  3. robp

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    Aethelred I (Northumbria) silver sceat, the moneyer is CVDHEARD
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  4. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Yow, @robp, that's easily the best Scandinavian imitation I've ever seen. Remarkable!!!
     
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  5. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    Aethelwulf (839-858) penny with retrograde legends both sides. A much better example went through a sale fairly recently, but it's quirky enough to keep whatever.
    Ex Ryan 699, Glens 22/1/1952.
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  6. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    This week, I'll show a so-called "Rempelheller" from Wrocław (Breslau) in Silesia for medieval Monday. Having the head of John the Baptist on a coin brings the whole 'head on a silver plate'-thing to quite a new level. Also, note the excellent engraving work on the obverse:

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    Wrocław (Breslau), Bohemia, under Sigismund of Luxemburg (r. 1419–1437 AD), AR heller, after 1422 AD, Wrocław mint. Obv: head of John the Baptist facing slightly l. within circle; around: M-W-M-W. Rev: crowned Silesian lion l.; star in field below. 11mm, 0.30g. Ref: Saurma 67, Friedensburger 554.
     
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  7. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    I, too, can only think of large medieval bronzes from Norman Sicily and of the coins of Cilician Armenia. Since these were mentioned, here is a large tank from my collection (a fitting name for this sestertius-sized denomination):

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    Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia, Hetoum I, AE tank, 1226–1269 AD, Sis mint. Obv: Armenian legend: “+ Hetoum, King of the Armenians;” king seated facing on lion throne, holding lily sceptre and orb. Rev: Armenian legend: “+ struck in the city of Sis;” cross with strokes in quadrants. 29mm, 8.08g. Ref: Bedoukian 1327 or similar.
     
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  8. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    The bronze coinage of Edessa and Antioch ca. 1100-1120 emulating the Eastern Roman coppers of the late 1000s are also rather big by medieval standards:

    Baudouin Rethel (Baudouin II de Edessa) AE25 4.03g, Edessa ca. 1108-1110

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    Roger of Salerno (of the Principate) AE21x19 3.77g, Antioch ca. 1115

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  9. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    @Orielensis, it's no accident that the polities that were issuing larger AES --the Cilician Armenians, the Levantine Franks into the earlier 12th century, and the Normans in Sicily and southern Italy-- were all on the peripheries of the Byzantine Empire. The Byzantines were still able to maintain a trimetallic coinage (and economy), while in the West, over the later 1st and earlier 2nd millennia, economies contracted to the point where coinage in bronze (and, a little later, gold) simply didn't have a consistent niche in the existing landscape.
     
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  10. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    @Orielensis, Yes! The engraving on that is brilliant, evoking the less-than-intuitive level of naturalism in Gothic sculpture, in Germany as well as France, from the 13th century. This is less about early- or proto-Renaissance than it is about what Gothic got up to under its own steam. Very cool.
    And your 'head on a silver platter' thing was Very good. With apologies to John the Baptist (guess he's over it, by now), thanks for making me laugh!
     
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  11. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    looking at the manuscript image, I wonder if this is meant to be the cross of St. Cuthbert which hen became an emblem of Durham. You can see it on display at the Cathedral museum (they exhumed Cuthbert in the 19th c. And his grave goods are all on display).

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    I’ve seen later depictions of the cross develop into the much wider and curled ends as depicted in the manuscript (I couldn’t tell you where - it’s been 10 years since I lived in Durham). I have no idea if it is meant to be Cuthbert’s cross, but seemed very similar.
     
  12. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    And since Crusader Bronzes came up, here is an acquisition from this year (that desperately needs a new photo - this photo does not do the coin justice):
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    Roger of Salerno, Regent, r. 1112-1119
    AR Follis, 21.26 mm x 4.2 grams
    Obv.: OA (in monogram) - ΓεωΡ (St. George). St. George, nimbate, riding on horseback r., spearing dragon below
    Rev.: + / POTZP / ΠPIΓKΠ / ANT (Roger prince of Antioch). Legend in three lines
    Ref.: Malloy Antioch 9; De Wit 4083
     
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  13. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    love the artistry on that one! I’ve seen these pop up every now and then but have yet to pull the trigger.
     
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  14. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    @FitzNigel, you're way over my head here. The Cross of St. Cuthbert is as resonant as it was completely unknown to me. ...Granted, I would have thought that, since Bek's arms really were from his existing family, among the contemporaneous lower aristocracy, rather than a coat he arbitrarily adopted on his elevation to the bishopric (which also happened, notably in 13th-c. France), the similarity is likely coincidental.
     
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  15. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    Could well be - like I said, I have no idea about his particular family
     
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  16. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    I promise you, online or in print, there isn't a lot to know. They seem to be of no extant record prior to the later 13th century (temp. Edward I). That they made it into the lower aristocracy as early as they did is a real head-scratcher.
     
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  17. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    IT’S MONDAY! I nearly forgot... and with how fast the threads are coming in these days, stuff easily gets buried (I posted something at 1.30 in the morning, and by 1.30 in the afternoon the thread was on the third page!)

    here are a couple coins I won at auction back in August that ONLY JUST arrived in the post (so I don’t have good photos yet). The delay is partly my fault - I thought I paid for them right after the auction, but was then embarrassed when the seller sent me an invoice at the end of September. However, afterwards, the seller’s extremely poor communication kept the coins sitting around until various threads and requests for refunds got the coins the mail. The had been plenty of warnings about this seller’s budget auctions before, but I chose to take the risk. Never buying from them again, but in the meanwhile, I did manage to stage two lovely issues from Antioch:

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    The coin on the left:
    Crusader - Antioch
    Tancred, Regent, r. 1101-1103, 1104-1112
    Type 1 AE Follis, 22.04 mm x 3.01 grams
    Obv.: O ΠE-TPOC, Bust of St. Peter, holding cross in left hand
    Rev.: + / KE BOI / ΘH TOΔV / ΛO COVT / ANKPI
    Ref.: Malloy Antioch 3a, 4076-7

    and the coin on the right:
    Crusader - Antioch
    Tancred, Regent, r. 1101-1103, 1104-1112
    Type 3 AE Follis, 20.77 mm x 4.23 grams
    Obv.: IC - XC, Bust of Christ, nimbate, wearing tunic and cloak, holding Gospels
    Rev.: TA - NK - P - H, Cross pommetée, fleuronnée at base
    Ref.: Malloy Antioch 5, De Wit 4081
     
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  18. Nap

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    Groat of James III, king of Scotland 1460-1488
    Mint: Edinburgh
    Base issue ca. 1471-1483
    S. 5270
    O: IACOBVS DEI GRA REX SCOTORVM
    R: +VILLA EDINBVRGh

    This base groat, which seems to have circulated simultaneously with the better silver groats, is the first Scottish coin to depict the thistle, as seen on the reverse
     
  19. Nap

    Nap Well-Known Member

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    Groat of Robert II of Scotland (1371-1390)
    Mint: Perth
    S. 5136
    O: +ROBERTVS DEI GRA REX SCOTTORVM
    R: +DnS+̯ P TECTOR m'S +I+ LIB ATORm'S VILL A DE PER Th+

    Robert II was the grandson of Robert the Bruce through his daughter Marjorie, and was the first of the Stewart line.
     
  20. Nap

    Nap Well-Known Member

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    Penny of Richard III, 1483-1485
    Mint: Durham
    Mintmark: lis
    Struck under Bishop Sherwood
    S.2169
    O: +RICAR[DVS REX ANGL], S on breast
    R: CIVI [TAS DVR] hAM, D in center

    All coinage of Richard III is scarce, though the Durham pennies are among the more common. Generally the coins are on undersized flans and portions of the legend are not appreciated, however this can easily be appreciated as a Durham issue because of the S on Richard's chest (for Sherwood, not Superman), and for the D on the center of the reverse.
     
  21. Nap

    Nap Well-Known Member

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    Anglo-Saxon Sceatta, primary phase 680-700
    Type 2a
    S.775
    Abramson 3-30
    O: Radiate bust right
    R: Degenerated standard with TOTII
     
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