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<p>[QUOTE="+VGO.DVCKS, post: 4906411, member: 110504"]Nothing scary about anything with the <i>appearance </i>of pedantry; just the real thing. You're in the clear.</p><p>Of the <i>vervelles</i>, the one on the right has an arresting similarity to the arms of the counts of Bar, as of the 13th century. It would take a minute --and who has time, or money-- to determine the likely genealogical relationship. But here's my example of Bar.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1183877[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1183878[/ATTACH]</p><p>Lorraine. County of Bar. Henri II, 1214-1240. AR denier.</p><p>Obv. The (conspicuously canting) comital coat of arms: 2 bars (fish) between a star. +BARRI DVCIS. ('Frontier' of Bar --i. e., directly on the border of the county of Champagne, while what was left of Lorraine at this point was still part of the Staufen empire.)</p><p>Rev. Cross with two fleurs-de-lis. XhENRICVS COMES. (Henri, the Count.)</p><p>(Boudeau 1425.)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="+VGO.DVCKS, post: 4906411, member: 110504"]Nothing scary about anything with the [I]appearance [/I]of pedantry; just the real thing. You're in the clear. Of the [I]vervelles[/I], the one on the right has an arresting similarity to the arms of the counts of Bar, as of the 13th century. It would take a minute --and who has time, or money-- to determine the likely genealogical relationship. But here's my example of Bar. [ATTACH=full]1183877[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1183878[/ATTACH] Lorraine. County of Bar. Henri II, 1214-1240. AR denier. Obv. The (conspicuously canting) comital coat of arms: 2 bars (fish) between a star. +BARRI DVCIS. ('Frontier' of Bar --i. e., directly on the border of the county of Champagne, while what was left of Lorraine at this point was still part of the Staufen empire.) Rev. Cross with two fleurs-de-lis. XhENRICVS COMES. (Henri, the Count.) (Boudeau 1425.)[/QUOTE]
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