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<p>[QUOTE="+VGO.DVCKS, post: 4902264, member: 110504"]Thanks for your conspicuously incisive comments, [USER=96898]@Orielensis[/USER], and the terrific coins. Your schilling of Winrich von Kniprode is that much better than mine, both for toning and strike.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1182759[/ATTACH]</p><p>...As far as collecting, I don't venture too far into the 14th century, or much later. But the exceptions are, to paraphrase Leonard Cohen, 'the cracks where the light comes in.' ...For people tuning in late to this broadcast, Winrich encouraged 'crusaders' from further west to fight on behalf of the Teutonic Order; in 'Pruce' and 'Ruce,' as Chaucer puts it. (Description of the Knight in the Prologue to <u>The Canterbury Tales</u>.<u>)</u> He did this by means of a by then common ploy; in this case the <u>Eretisch</u>, or Table of Honor. (Cf. Keen, <u>Chivalry</u> (1984), 171-4, 179.) This was a natural extension of the prototypical, faux-Arthurian 'Round Table' of Edward I (<a href="https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/winchester-round-table" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/winchester-round-table" rel="nofollow">https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/winchester-round-table</a>), and the secular 'Orders of Chivalry' which ensued over the 14th century, sponsored by kings and upper aristocracy. (Cf. Keen, 179 ff.) Tuchman characterizes the collective phenomenon, with its cloyingly revisionist trappings --relying, as they did, on the already extensive Arthurian literature, rather than on historical precedent-- in this way:</p><p>"The orders of chivalry, with all their display and ritual and vows, were essentially a way of trying to secure a loyal body of military support on which the sovereign could rely." (<u>A Distant Mirror: The Calamitous 14th Century</u> (1978), p. 130.)</p><p>Huizinga offers a still resonant diagnosis of the underlying communal sensibility on which such expediences relied: "The men who made the history of those times, princes, nobles, prelates, or burghers, were no romantic dreamers, but dealt in solid facts. Still, nearly all paid homage to the chivalrous bias." He goes on to describe the political uses to which the surrounding rhetoric could be put. Lacking Tuchman's concision or cogency, he still manages to cover some of the distance, on a more generalized level:</p><p>"Were the rules of chivalry taken into account in the councils of kings and in those of war? [....] Without any doubt. If medieval politics were not governed for the better by the idea of chivalry, surely they were so sometimes for the worse. Chivalry during the [is this legal? let's say, Later] Middle Ages was, on the one hand, the great source of tragic political errors, exactly as are nationalism and racial pride at the present day. On the other, it tended to disguise well-adjusted calculations under the apprearace of generous aspirations." (<u>The Waning of the Middle Ages</u>, 1949 /1954, pp. 93-4 (/ff.); cf. 85 ff. on specific orders of chivalry as of the 14th century --the Teutonic Knights are mentioned on p.85.)</p><p>...I guess you kind of got me started, or something.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="+VGO.DVCKS, post: 4902264, member: 110504"]Thanks for your conspicuously incisive comments, [USER=96898]@Orielensis[/USER], and the terrific coins. Your schilling of Winrich von Kniprode is that much better than mine, both for toning and strike. [ATTACH=full]1182759[/ATTACH] ...As far as collecting, I don't venture too far into the 14th century, or much later. But the exceptions are, to paraphrase Leonard Cohen, 'the cracks where the light comes in.' ...For people tuning in late to this broadcast, Winrich encouraged 'crusaders' from further west to fight on behalf of the Teutonic Order; in 'Pruce' and 'Ruce,' as Chaucer puts it. (Description of the Knight in the Prologue to [U]The Canterbury Tales[/U].[U])[/U] He did this by means of a by then common ploy; in this case the [U]Eretisch[/U], or Table of Honor. (Cf. Keen, [U]Chivalry[/U] (1984), 171-4, 179.) This was a natural extension of the prototypical, faux-Arthurian 'Round Table' of Edward I ([URL]https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/winchester-round-table[/URL]), and the secular 'Orders of Chivalry' which ensued over the 14th century, sponsored by kings and upper aristocracy. (Cf. Keen, 179 ff.) Tuchman characterizes the collective phenomenon, with its cloyingly revisionist trappings --relying, as they did, on the already extensive Arthurian literature, rather than on historical precedent-- in this way: "The orders of chivalry, with all their display and ritual and vows, were essentially a way of trying to secure a loyal body of military support on which the sovereign could rely." ([U]A Distant Mirror: The Calamitous 14th Century[/U] (1978), p. 130.) Huizinga offers a still resonant diagnosis of the underlying communal sensibility on which such expediences relied: "The men who made the history of those times, princes, nobles, prelates, or burghers, were no romantic dreamers, but dealt in solid facts. Still, nearly all paid homage to the chivalrous bias." He goes on to describe the political uses to which the surrounding rhetoric could be put. Lacking Tuchman's concision or cogency, he still manages to cover some of the distance, on a more generalized level: "Were the rules of chivalry taken into account in the councils of kings and in those of war? [....] Without any doubt. If medieval politics were not governed for the better by the idea of chivalry, surely they were so sometimes for the worse. Chivalry during the [is this legal? let's say, Later] Middle Ages was, on the one hand, the great source of tragic political errors, exactly as are nationalism and racial pride at the present day. On the other, it tended to disguise well-adjusted calculations under the apprearace of generous aspirations." ([U]The Waning of the Middle Ages[/U], 1949 /1954, pp. 93-4 (/ff.); cf. 85 ff. on specific orders of chivalry as of the 14th century --the Teutonic Knights are mentioned on p.85.) ...I guess you kind of got me started, or something.[/QUOTE]
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