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<p>[QUOTE="+VGO.DVCKS, post: 4643297, member: 110504"]On every point you raised, it's like, 'Teacher, I Raise My Hand.'</p><p> ...Meanwhile, with your indulgence, the apparent (in both senses) eclecticism with which I collect has to do with what would represent, in a saner world than we live in, an entirely arbitrary set of criteria.</p><p> On my dad's, relentlessly New England side of the family, there's solidly documented, linear descent from Thomas of Brotherton, one of Edward I's conspicuously underachieving children, from his second, record-breakingly cradle-robbing marriage to Marguerite Capet, a daughter of Philippe III.</p><p> What finding this out this eventuated in, following a few decades of lively interest in the period, was a radical shift in the collecting. Genealogy per se only amplifies what you already get from (thank you, reasonably responsible, academic) history. Especially since, among these people, marriages were that much about diplomacy.</p><p> Except that the diplomacy involved was both international and, relative to any given polity, internal. So on one hand, over three or four generations, you can get an interval from Byzantine Comneni, to German Hohenstaufen, to 13th-c. dukes of Brabant, to Capetians, to late Angevins. But on the other, you get Mountains of distinctly aristocratic descent, conspicuously Anglo-Norman, French, Low Countries and German.</p><p> What that does, in turn, is to blow the lid off of collecting earlier feudal issues, starting, as they did (but, <i>only</i>), with France.</p><p> I, for one, always found the aristocracy of livelier interest than the royals. Part of it had to be about the challenge of finding any amount of documentation, primary or secondary, about any of them. But I Promise you, if you get a coin which is issued by a count or seigneur in his own name, and the polity concerned is on the kind of geographic scale that makes it look insignificant on a map, and whoever this was also gets a surprising number of references in primary sources (whether chronicles or, in one instance, the Bayeux Tapestry), you have got yourself the Perfect Triangulation.</p><p> ...Duly Busted. I need to post some of this.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="+VGO.DVCKS, post: 4643297, member: 110504"]On every point you raised, it's like, 'Teacher, I Raise My Hand.' ...Meanwhile, with your indulgence, the apparent (in both senses) eclecticism with which I collect has to do with what would represent, in a saner world than we live in, an entirely arbitrary set of criteria. On my dad's, relentlessly New England side of the family, there's solidly documented, linear descent from Thomas of Brotherton, one of Edward I's conspicuously underachieving children, from his second, record-breakingly cradle-robbing marriage to Marguerite Capet, a daughter of Philippe III. What finding this out this eventuated in, following a few decades of lively interest in the period, was a radical shift in the collecting. Genealogy per se only amplifies what you already get from (thank you, reasonably responsible, academic) history. Especially since, among these people, marriages were that much about diplomacy. Except that the diplomacy involved was both international and, relative to any given polity, internal. So on one hand, over three or four generations, you can get an interval from Byzantine Comneni, to German Hohenstaufen, to 13th-c. dukes of Brabant, to Capetians, to late Angevins. But on the other, you get Mountains of distinctly aristocratic descent, conspicuously Anglo-Norman, French, Low Countries and German. What that does, in turn, is to blow the lid off of collecting earlier feudal issues, starting, as they did (but, [I]only[/I]), with France. I, for one, always found the aristocracy of livelier interest than the royals. Part of it had to be about the challenge of finding any amount of documentation, primary or secondary, about any of them. But I Promise you, if you get a coin which is issued by a count or seigneur in his own name, and the polity concerned is on the kind of geographic scale that makes it look insignificant on a map, and whoever this was also gets a surprising number of references in primary sources (whether chronicles or, in one instance, the Bayeux Tapestry), you have got yourself the Perfect Triangulation. ...Duly Busted. I need to post some of this.[/QUOTE]
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