Meaning of crescent and seven stars (or six stars and the sun)?

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  1. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Diva Faustina Junior consecration issue. It has a crescent (probably to represent the moon) and a large star within the crescent (possibly to represent the sun), all surrounded by six stars.

    Does anyone know what this symbolism represents? There were only 5 planets known in classical antiquity: Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn, so they couldn't be represented by the six stars surrounding the moon and the sun. Perhaps the Pleiades?

    I know there are coins of the Severan dynasty with similar reverses bearing a crescent with one, five, or seven stars.

    Post anything you feel is relevant!

    Faustina Jr CONSECRATIO moon and stars denarius.jpg
    Faustina Jr, AD 161-175
    Roman AR denarius; 3.14 g, 17 mm
    Rome, AD 176 or later
    Obv: DIVA FAVSTINA PIA, bare-headed and draped bust right
    Rev: CONSECRATIO, crescent moon around large star, surrounded by six stars
    Refs: RIC 750; BMCRE 718; Cohen 83; RCV 5219; MIR 63; CRE 172.
     
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  3. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    Nice Faustina Minor.. wasn't there a story of the 6 sisters that were supposed to be stars in the sky...?!?...i seemed to remember something on them, but it's sketchy..idk...
     
  4. Bing

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  5. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Those are the Pleiades, also known as the seven sisters, though only 6 stars are easily visible to the naked eye.
     
  6. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Very nice OP!!!


    Off the top of my head, I seem to recall a reference to the moon being associated with the Goddess Venus....and the stars associated with the Pleiades as suggested above.

    Here's a budget example of Diadumenian:
    diadumenian.JPG
     
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  7. ancientone

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  8. Mike Margolis

    Mike Margolis Well-Known Member

    This article also mentions that the star/crescent may have also signified a total solar eclipse when the crescent shape appears and also planets appear around the disc in the darkened sky.http://tjbuggey.ancients.info/astro.html
     
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  9. Mike Margolis

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  10. Mike Margolis

    Mike Margolis Well-Known Member

    For the ancients the soul realm/being dimension(ether for Plato) was divided into seven firmaments that were hooked up to the five visible [​IMG] planets and the orb of the sun and moon. These firmaments or heavens surrounded the terrestrial sphere like layers of an onion. Of course for most of these folks the Earth was an embodiment of deity herself(as we see on lots of great coins). They were more concerned with the apparent motion of the celestial orbs than the spatial relationships. It was a way of understanding a 5-D worldview where being or soul is as important as space/time and as original as the physical cosmos.
     
  11. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

  12. Mike Margolis

    Mike Margolis Well-Known Member

    If you have five large this amazing star/crescent coin is available on vcoins. coinmithrastarcres.jpg
     
  13. Mike Margolis

    Mike Margolis Well-Known Member

    This one fit into my budget and it was minted close to 44 bce I believe coinboughtcappadocicrescentstar.jpg to acknowledge the deification of the Caesar line with the comet of 44.
     
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  14. Mike Margolis

    Mike Margolis Well-Known Member

    The moon(diana) being the nearest firmament to Earth she is the wayshower/lighter-torchbearer for the discarnate coinfaustinaboughtdiana.jpg souls as seen on this Faustina Jr. "the stars receive"" Sideritus Receptus(sp?)
     
  15. wrappedinsky

    wrappedinsky Active Member

    Thanks. I just bought it!...
    ...and then I woke up. Sigh...
     
  16. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    I vote for the Pleiades...plus the crescent moon. I asked the forum members on an astronomy forum I am a member of what they thought and most of the folks think it's the Pleiades...
     
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  17. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Especially in these days of light pollution. I stayed out all night one night under a dark sky for a meteor shower in the late 1970s; my youthful eyes, fully dark-adapted, let me see eleven of the Pleiades.

    There are cross-cultural stories of a "lost" Pleiad, and astrophysics says it's plausible -- the seventh-brightest star in the cluster is surrounded by gas shells, indicating that it may have been brighter in early historic times.
     
  18. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

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  19. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Reviving this zombie thread to post an update -- an as of Faustina I with a similar reverse type. This coin comes in both bare-headed and veiled bust types, as is typical for the coins of Faustina I issued during the period immediately after her death.

    Faustina Sr S C crescent and stars as.jpg
    Faustina I, AD 138-140.
    Roman Æ as, 12.20 g.
    Rome, AD 140.
    Obv: DIVA AVGVSTA FAVSTINA •, bare-headed and draped bust, right.
    Rev: S C beneath crescent and seven stars.
    Refs: RIC 1199a; BMCRE 1476-77; Cohen 275; Strack 1249; RCV 4658; Dinsdale 018920.
     
  20. gogili1977

    gogili1977 Well-Known Member

    Very nice as Roman Collector. I also recently buy this Fastina II AE as with same reverse, but not so nice as your:
    imgonline-com-ua-twotoone-zkfvDRvWcgXcI.jpg
    With crescent also I have this Hadrian denarius:
    imgonline-com-ua-twotoone-WiqxpdLMlsYvXYl.jpg and this Geta from Thrace, Pautalia, small bronze coin:
    imgonline-com-ua-twotoone-xFfXo0ds9V8M5k.jpg
     
  21. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Interesting coins, all of them. I like the Geta provincial.
     
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