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<p>[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24661918, member: 26430"]I think it's probably <i><b>not</b></i> the Jerusalem walls, but there was a special reason, at least in Hendin's reading for a certain period (he may have withdrawn that reading/opinion).</p><p><br /></p><p>It was a specific phrase inscribed on the coin (I can't read Aramaic, so I have to either accept Hendin's reading or the alternative readings by others).</p><p><br /></p><p>The following except from the 3rd edition of Guide to Biblical Coins was reprinted in <a href="https://social.vcoins.com/files/file/133-vol-12-no-06-june-1998/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://social.vcoins.com/files/file/133-vol-12-no-06-june-1998/" rel="nofollow"><i>The Celator</i> (June, 1998) 12 (6) p. 24</a> (there's more). (It's worth keeping in mind Jerusalem was within Mazaios' Satrapy.)</p><p><br /></p><blockquote><p>"Beyond the River," <i>Eber Naham </i>is the Aramaic or Hebrew phrase the Tarsus silver stater and the Old Testament have in common.... the Aramaic inscription: <i>Mazaeus, who is over Beyond the River and Cilicia</i>.</p><p><br /></p><p>"Beyond the River" was at the time the official name of the administrative district that encompassed the land between the Euphrates and the Mediterranean, and went far enough south to include Jerusalem. Since the phrase "Beyond the River" is used seven times in Ezra and twice in Nehemiah we must recognize it was a rather important territory at the time.</p><p><br /></p></blockquote><p>Just to reiterate, though, Hendin only considered it "possible" or "plausible," so he wasn't coming out strongly in favor of it. And may have even withdrawn the opinion (it wasn't in later editions of <i>GBC</i>).</p><p><br /></p><p>Still interesting: It is a very distinctive design -- an architectural type in combination with the lion / bull -- so one wonders what it meant and/or what events it may have memorialized.</p><p><br /></p><p>Perhaps some union, political or marital? If a city/kingdom allied with Cilicia or the Achaemenid Empire, it could make sense to honor it with this design.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Also, I just noticed this, that coin type may be discussed in Nathaniel Elkins' 2015 book on <i>Monuments in Miniature: Architecture on Roman Coinage. </i>(See <a href="https://numismatics.org/pocketchange/architecture-on-roman-coinage/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://numismatics.org/pocketchange/architecture-on-roman-coinage/" rel="nofollow">Pocket Change blog, which illustrates one of these</a>.)</p><p><br /></p><p><b>NOT MY COIN!! <b>ANS Collection: 1947.81.4</b></b>[/S]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1572185[/ATTACH]</p><p>It seems to be one of the few Greek coins included as some kind of <i>comparanda</i>. I don't have the book (yet!), so I don't know what he says (or whether he comments at all on Hendin's hypothesis).</p><p><a href="https://www.ebay.com/sch/267/i.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=&_ssn=american-numismatic-society&_sop=1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ebay.com/sch/267/i.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=&_ssn=american-numismatic-society&_sop=1" rel="nofollow"><br /></a></p><p><a href="https://www.ebay.com/sch/267/i.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=&_ssn=american-numismatic-society&_sop=1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ebay.com/sch/267/i.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=&_ssn=american-numismatic-society&_sop=1" rel="nofollow">ANS is having a big book sale lately, clearing out copies of some titles</a>. (I bought 3 cheap titles so far -- <i>Agoranomia</i>, <i>Essays Thompson</i>, and <i>Coin Hoards X</i> -- but will buy more if I get to them in time.)</p><p><br /></p><p>I haven't seen the Elkins 2015 yet but I might get it if it does show up discounted. (The standard 30% member discount is NOT additional, but is pretty good even without the clearance sale.)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24661918, member: 26430"]I think it's probably [I][B]not[/B][/I] the Jerusalem walls, but there was a special reason, at least in Hendin's reading for a certain period (he may have withdrawn that reading/opinion). It was a specific phrase inscribed on the coin (I can't read Aramaic, so I have to either accept Hendin's reading or the alternative readings by others). The following except from the 3rd edition of Guide to Biblical Coins was reprinted in [URL='https://social.vcoins.com/files/file/133-vol-12-no-06-june-1998/'][I]The Celator[/I] (June, 1998) 12 (6) p. 24[/URL] (there's more). (It's worth keeping in mind Jerusalem was within Mazaios' Satrapy.) [INDENT]"Beyond the River," [I]Eber Naham [/I]is the Aramaic or Hebrew phrase the Tarsus silver stater and the Old Testament have in common.... the Aramaic inscription: [I]Mazaeus, who is over Beyond the River and Cilicia[/I]. "Beyond the River" was at the time the official name of the administrative district that encompassed the land between the Euphrates and the Mediterranean, and went far enough south to include Jerusalem. Since the phrase "Beyond the River" is used seven times in Ezra and twice in Nehemiah we must recognize it was a rather important territory at the time. [/INDENT] Just to reiterate, though, Hendin only considered it "possible" or "plausible," so he wasn't coming out strongly in favor of it. And may have even withdrawn the opinion (it wasn't in later editions of [I]GBC[/I]). Still interesting: It is a very distinctive design -- an architectural type in combination with the lion / bull -- so one wonders what it meant and/or what events it may have memorialized. Perhaps some union, political or marital? If a city/kingdom allied with Cilicia or the Achaemenid Empire, it could make sense to honor it with this design. Also, I just noticed this, that coin type may be discussed in Nathaniel Elkins' 2015 book on [I]Monuments in Miniature: Architecture on Roman Coinage. [/I](See [URL='https://numismatics.org/pocketchange/architecture-on-roman-coinage/']Pocket Change blog, which illustrates one of these[/URL].) [B]NOT MY COIN!! [B]ANS Collection: 1947.81.4[/B][/B][/S] [ATTACH=full]1572185[/ATTACH] It seems to be one of the few Greek coins included as some kind of [I]comparanda[/I]. I don't have the book (yet!), so I don't know what he says (or whether he comments at all on Hendin's hypothesis). [URL='https://www.ebay.com/sch/267/i.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=&_ssn=american-numismatic-society&_sop=1'] ANS is having a big book sale lately, clearing out copies of some titles[/URL]. (I bought 3 cheap titles so far -- [I]Agoranomia[/I], [I]Essays Thompson[/I], and [I]Coin Hoards X[/I] -- but will buy more if I get to them in time.) I haven't seen the Elkins 2015 yet but I might get it if it does show up discounted. (The standard 30% member discount is NOT additional, but is pretty good even without the clearance sale.)[/QUOTE]
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