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<p>[QUOTE="PeacePeople, post: 906830, member: 20082"]My parents worked, also. They happened to raise 12 productive members of society. They also did what was right when we stepped out of line and because they worked they listened to others in the community when any of us were stepping out of line. You mentioned in the OP that teachers can't look sideways at a kid any more for fear of retribution, be it termination or whatever trash can be dreamed up for punishment. Where do you think that comes from? Maybe some parent didn't like the reality of their kid stepping out of line, somebody putting them back into line and the parent not believing that their kid would ever do anything wrong? </p><p> </p><p>While you are correct that it really is about choices that one makes for themself that makes the difference. The role models, peers and others around a person make a pattern that is easily followed. It is also easy to teach that if you step out of line there are consequences, if you are taught that. If you are taught or learn that you can push the limits to wherever you want to take them, where do you stop. I say that using the "we'll just sue the school" if he gets put to task. I think that you mentioned that.</p><p> </p><p>One last thing that you mentioned that is flat out wrong is your "excuses" arguement. I'm not excusing the younger generation of anything. They make their own choices today that impact their realities of tomorrow. Those choices are made by lessons taught, if the lessons are trash, do you expect the choices to positive? Successful people make good choices or refuse to fail, if you are taught that failure is acceptable, how can you succeed? </p><p> </p><p>This entire arguement is lame at best and has been argued since, I think a Plato quote was used. When was he alive? </p><p> </p><p>The kids of today will be just fine. I see kids of many ages daily. There are some very well behaved and respectful kids, and some not so much. I'm pretty sure that if we look at any generation throughout the history of man, that book is written the same.</p><p> </p><p>One last thing, if a kid gets out of line in my store and I see it, they know about it. If the parent has an issue with it, I have no problem letting them know that it is my store and my rules are followed. To this day only one family has left without doing any business, and I really didn't need their business or them allowing their kid to run roughshod thru my store. I don't really blame the kid either, because I highly doubt he's ever heard the word no, and probably doesn't know what it means.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="PeacePeople, post: 906830, member: 20082"]My parents worked, also. They happened to raise 12 productive members of society. They also did what was right when we stepped out of line and because they worked they listened to others in the community when any of us were stepping out of line. You mentioned in the OP that teachers can't look sideways at a kid any more for fear of retribution, be it termination or whatever trash can be dreamed up for punishment. Where do you think that comes from? Maybe some parent didn't like the reality of their kid stepping out of line, somebody putting them back into line and the parent not believing that their kid would ever do anything wrong? While you are correct that it really is about choices that one makes for themself that makes the difference. The role models, peers and others around a person make a pattern that is easily followed. It is also easy to teach that if you step out of line there are consequences, if you are taught that. If you are taught or learn that you can push the limits to wherever you want to take them, where do you stop. I say that using the "we'll just sue the school" if he gets put to task. I think that you mentioned that. One last thing that you mentioned that is flat out wrong is your "excuses" arguement. I'm not excusing the younger generation of anything. They make their own choices today that impact their realities of tomorrow. Those choices are made by lessons taught, if the lessons are trash, do you expect the choices to positive? Successful people make good choices or refuse to fail, if you are taught that failure is acceptable, how can you succeed? This entire arguement is lame at best and has been argued since, I think a Plato quote was used. When was he alive? The kids of today will be just fine. I see kids of many ages daily. There are some very well behaved and respectful kids, and some not so much. I'm pretty sure that if we look at any generation throughout the history of man, that book is written the same. One last thing, if a kid gets out of line in my store and I see it, they know about it. If the parent has an issue with it, I have no problem letting them know that it is my store and my rules are followed. To this day only one family has left without doing any business, and I really didn't need their business or them allowing their kid to run roughshod thru my store. I don't really blame the kid either, because I highly doubt he's ever heard the word no, and probably doesn't know what it means.[/QUOTE]
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