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<p>[QUOTE="Justin Lee, post: 4612075, member: 87404"]I found this interesting article about Maximinus, his son, his reign, all surrounding their race in imperial Rome politics.</p><p><br /></p><blockquote><p><font size="4">Moralee, J. (2008). <a href="https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/38841191/Moralee_2008.pdf?1442849356=&response-content-disposition=inline%3B+filename%3DMaximinus_Thrax_and_the_Politics_of_Race.pdf&Expires=1593993734&Signature=QYeJpTigGF~rT0NcRhnN3ik4cG1mHRjCRpNSS89WRS0YMajTR1ZFJHvwjDFS3HIf9s1IyIr2WoFvtc6N6cN2EGvzNje8vaKW3r34xfW59jvCl85vc~wHALyLGkQPr1I7eZkKBLX9rV1p7Rv7zgp1H2x1D4p5kxk-sCvQLO5Pk6hjceBITSoUbdJ-ht-fA9DC16XoyPGhP2HDq4TDerAiCNWXbmyugTVH~oMCuDHDroC9lGh7G~CDNU4cNhrfzy-OQzYSVq2XtCE45JHemKCecmriZvSBP6veQ2rs4wSxuUhyQMsi65IysBKOXELppr8pPXDjQd7mYEsPeG5Mk7CXXg__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLOHF5GGSLRBV4ZA" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/38841191/Moralee_2008.pdf?1442849356=&response-content-disposition=inline%3B+filename%3DMaximinus_Thrax_and_the_Politics_of_Race.pdf&Expires=1593993734&Signature=QYeJpTigGF~rT0NcRhnN3ik4cG1mHRjCRpNSS89WRS0YMajTR1ZFJHvwjDFS3HIf9s1IyIr2WoFvtc6N6cN2EGvzNje8vaKW3r34xfW59jvCl85vc~wHALyLGkQPr1I7eZkKBLX9rV1p7Rv7zgp1H2x1D4p5kxk-sCvQLO5Pk6hjceBITSoUbdJ-ht-fA9DC16XoyPGhP2HDq4TDerAiCNWXbmyugTVH~oMCuDHDroC9lGh7G~CDNU4cNhrfzy-OQzYSVq2XtCE45JHemKCecmriZvSBP6veQ2rs4wSxuUhyQMsi65IysBKOXELppr8pPXDjQd7mYEsPeG5Mk7CXXg__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLOHF5GGSLRBV4ZA" rel="nofollow">Maximinus Thrax and the politics of race in late antiquity</a>. <i>Greece & Rome</i>, <i>55</i>(1), 55-82.</font></p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>You might not be too far off!!!</p><p><br /></p><blockquote><p><font size="4"><span style="color: #003366">"...not even his name was remembered properly. In the historiographical sources he is called by his father's name, Maximinus, rather than his epigraphically attested name Maximus (pp. 62-63, Moralee, 2008)."</span></font></p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>After reading a bit of the paper above, I found Maximus (and the whole of the family and situation) to be a little bit more interesting than before... evidently he was unlucky in love (allegedly by his "barbarian" blood).</p><blockquote><font size="4"><span style="color: #003366">"He was first engaged to Junia Fadilla, the great-granddaughter of Marcus Aurelius. But Toxotius, a senator and poet, thus a man of better blood and culture, stole her away. Adding insult to Maximus' broken pride, she also kept the dowry, including necklaces, hats, and dresses studded with precious jewels. A second attempt to marry into the nobility likewise ended in disappointment. While emperor, Severus Alexander intended to offer his sister Theoclia to Maximus for a spouse. For this union the emperor sought his mother's advice in a letter: </span></font></p><blockquote><p><font size="4"><span style="color: #003366"><br /></span></font></p><p><font size="4"><span style="color: #003366"><i>"Mother, were there not an element of the barbarian in the [...] elder Maximinus [</i>si...non aliquid in se barbarum<i>] - he who is our general, and a very good one, too - I had already married your Theoclia to (Maximus). But I am afraid that such a product of Greek culture as my sister could not endure a barbarian father-in-law, however much the young man himself seems handsome and learned and polished in Greek elegance. </i></span></font></p></blockquote><font size="4"><span style="color: #003366">"Just as becoming emperor failed to erase that 'barbarian element' in his father, education failed to erase the racial stain on the son. Culturally, Maximus was beyond suspicion. In racial terms, however, he was the son of a semibarbarus; he, too, had that 'barbarian element in him' (<i>aliquid in se barbarum</i>). The son was therefore a repulsive pastiche of Roman and barbarian, all the more degenerate for his attempt at integration. Like his father he was tall, but not quite so; he was beautiful, but desirable mostly by profligate women (<i>a procacioribus feminis</i>); and, though educated, he was imperious (<i>superbissimus</i>).</span></font></p><p><font size="4"><span style="color: #003366"><br /></span></font></p><p><font size="4"><span style="color: #003366">"At the end of the letter, Severus asked his mother if a better fit for Theoclia would be Messalla 'who is a scion of a noble house [<i>ex familia nobili</i>], a very powerful speaker, very learned, and, if I mistake not, a man who would prove himself gallant on the field if occasion should arise'. Although all of this is pure fancy, including the names Junia Fadilla, Toxotius, and Messalla, the author invented these episodes to mark an important difference. Blood and the antiquity of origins mattered... (pp. 63-64, Moralee, 2008)"</span></font></blockquote><p>Even if it is 'pure fantasy', I find it interesting that (as it was told) he was offered the sister of the emperor. This, to me, shows that the level of Maximinus as general and leader was <b><u><i>very highly</i></u></b> regarded, regardless of his racial background. But that either couldn't get around... a racial glass ceiling if you will.</p><p><br /></p><p>And here is my version of [USER=51347]@Alegandron[/USER]'s Maximus sestertius type:</p><p><img src="https://iomegacollectionhome.files.wordpress.com/2020/05/incollage_20200524_153639014.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><b><font size="3">Maximus, as Caesar, 235-238 AD</font></b></p><p><font size="3"><b>AE Sestertius, Struck Late 236-237 AD, Rome mint</b></font></p><p><font size="3">Obverse: MAXIMVS CAES GERM, bare-headed bust, draped, right.</font></p><p><font size="3">Reverse: PIETAS AVG, emblems of the pontificate: littus, secespita, patera, capis, simpulum, and aspergillum, SC below.</font></p><p><font size="3">References: RIC iV 11</font></p><p><font size="3">Size: 29mm, 16.97g</font></p><p><font size="3"><i>Ex: Warren Esty, Augustus Coins (5/17/20);</i></font></p><p><i><font size="3"> Ken Dorney, Auction 9 (11/29/19), lot #133;</font></i></p><p><i><font size="3"> Ken Dorney, VCoins (n.d.), #4750;</font></i></p><p><i><font size="3"> Owl Coins, Spring-Summer List (1976), Lot #90</font></i>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Justin Lee, post: 4612075, member: 87404"]I found this interesting article about Maximinus, his son, his reign, all surrounding their race in imperial Rome politics. [INDENT][SIZE=4]Moralee, J. (2008). [URL='https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/38841191/Moralee_2008.pdf?1442849356=&response-content-disposition=inline%3B+filename%3DMaximinus_Thrax_and_the_Politics_of_Race.pdf&Expires=1593993734&Signature=QYeJpTigGF~rT0NcRhnN3ik4cG1mHRjCRpNSS89WRS0YMajTR1ZFJHvwjDFS3HIf9s1IyIr2WoFvtc6N6cN2EGvzNje8vaKW3r34xfW59jvCl85vc~wHALyLGkQPr1I7eZkKBLX9rV1p7Rv7zgp1H2x1D4p5kxk-sCvQLO5Pk6hjceBITSoUbdJ-ht-fA9DC16XoyPGhP2HDq4TDerAiCNWXbmyugTVH~oMCuDHDroC9lGh7G~CDNU4cNhrfzy-OQzYSVq2XtCE45JHemKCecmriZvSBP6veQ2rs4wSxuUhyQMsi65IysBKOXELppr8pPXDjQd7mYEsPeG5Mk7CXXg__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLOHF5GGSLRBV4ZA']Maximinus Thrax and the politics of race in late antiquity[/URL]. [I]Greece & Rome[/I], [I]55[/I](1), 55-82.[/SIZE][/INDENT] You might not be too far off!!! [INDENT][SIZE=4][COLOR=#003366]"...not even his name was remembered properly. In the historiographical sources he is called by his father's name, Maximinus, rather than his epigraphically attested name Maximus (pp. 62-63, Moralee, 2008)."[/COLOR][/SIZE][/INDENT] After reading a bit of the paper above, I found Maximus (and the whole of the family and situation) to be a little bit more interesting than before... evidently he was unlucky in love (allegedly by his "barbarian" blood). [INDENT][SIZE=4][COLOR=#003366]"He was first engaged to Junia Fadilla, the great-granddaughter of Marcus Aurelius. But Toxotius, a senator and poet, thus a man of better blood and culture, stole her away. Adding insult to Maximus' broken pride, she also kept the dowry, including necklaces, hats, and dresses studded with precious jewels. A second attempt to marry into the nobility likewise ended in disappointment. While emperor, Severus Alexander intended to offer his sister Theoclia to Maximus for a spouse. For this union the emperor sought his mother's advice in a letter: [/COLOR][/SIZE] [INDENT][SIZE=4][COLOR=#003366] [I]"Mother, were there not an element of the barbarian in the [...] elder Maximinus [[/I]si...non aliquid in se barbarum[I]] - he who is our general, and a very good one, too - I had already married your Theoclia to (Maximus). But I am afraid that such a product of Greek culture as my sister could not endure a barbarian father-in-law, however much the young man himself seems handsome and learned and polished in Greek elegance. [/I][/COLOR][/SIZE][/INDENT] [SIZE=4][COLOR=#003366]"Just as becoming emperor failed to erase that 'barbarian element' in his father, education failed to erase the racial stain on the son. Culturally, Maximus was beyond suspicion. In racial terms, however, he was the son of a semibarbarus; he, too, had that 'barbarian element in him' ([I]aliquid in se barbarum[/I]). The son was therefore a repulsive pastiche of Roman and barbarian, all the more degenerate for his attempt at integration. Like his father he was tall, but not quite so; he was beautiful, but desirable mostly by profligate women ([I]a procacioribus feminis[/I]); and, though educated, he was imperious ([I]superbissimus[/I]). "At the end of the letter, Severus asked his mother if a better fit for Theoclia would be Messalla 'who is a scion of a noble house [[I]ex familia nobili[/I]], a very powerful speaker, very learned, and, if I mistake not, a man who would prove himself gallant on the field if occasion should arise'. Although all of this is pure fancy, including the names Junia Fadilla, Toxotius, and Messalla, the author invented these episodes to mark an important difference. Blood and the antiquity of origins mattered... (pp. 63-64, Moralee, 2008)"[/COLOR][/SIZE][/INDENT] Even if it is 'pure fantasy', I find it interesting that (as it was told) he was offered the sister of the emperor. This, to me, shows that the level of Maximinus as general and leader was [B][U][I]very highly[/I][/U][/B] regarded, regardless of his racial background. But that either couldn't get around... a racial glass ceiling if you will. And here is my version of [USER=51347]@Alegandron[/USER]'s Maximus sestertius type: [IMG]https://iomegacollectionhome.files.wordpress.com/2020/05/incollage_20200524_153639014.jpg[/IMG] [B][SIZE=3]Maximus, as Caesar, 235-238 AD[/SIZE][/B] [SIZE=3][B]AE Sestertius, Struck Late 236-237 AD, Rome mint[/B] Obverse: MAXIMVS CAES GERM, bare-headed bust, draped, right. Reverse: PIETAS AVG, emblems of the pontificate: littus, secespita, patera, capis, simpulum, and aspergillum, SC below. References: RIC iV 11 Size: 29mm, 16.97g [I]Ex: Warren Esty, Augustus Coins (5/17/20);[/I][/SIZE] [I][SIZE=3] Ken Dorney, Auction 9 (11/29/19), lot #133; Ken Dorney, VCoins (n.d.), #4750; Owl Coins, Spring-Summer List (1976), Lot #90[/SIZE][/I][/QUOTE]
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