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<p>[QUOTE="Severus Alexander, post: 3851866, member: 84744"]A while ago I spotted a group lot of what appeared to be ordinary late 3rd century antoniniani... but a couple of them were far from ordinary! Here's one:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1020648[/ATTACH]</p><p><font size="3">Maximianus (286-305), antoninianus, issued c. 290. Siscia, second officina, 3.69g, 23mm.</font></p><p><font size="3">Obv: IMP C M A VAL MAXIMIANVS P AVG; Radiate bust right, heroically nude, with slight drapery on both shoulders.</font></p><p><font size="3">Rev: CONSERVATOR AVGG / B / XXIKOY; Maximianus, holding sceptre, and Hercules, holding club, standing facing one another and sacrificing over tripod between.</font></p><p><font size="3">RIC 581var. (bust type)</font></p><p><font size="3">cf. Naumann 44 lot 1118, 07.08.2016 (RIC 580var., with the more common obverse legend)</font></p><p><br /></p><p>Check out those pecs! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> When the coin was minted c. 290, representing Diocletian as the "Jovian" emperor and Maximian as the "Herculean" was well established. Hercules is on the reverse, and I suspect the heroically nude portrait of Maximian was meant to allude to Hercules. He was, by all accounts, a big, brawny guy, so the shoe fits pretty well.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c9/MSR_-_Tête_de_l%27empreur_Maximien_Hercule_-_Inv_34_b_%28cropped%29.jpg/440px-MSR_-_Tête_de_l%27empreur_Maximien_Hercule_-_Inv_34_b_%28cropped%29.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>I messaged [USER=56859]@TIF[/USER] about this coin when I got it, showing her a photo of this lovely Naumann example (which sold for 725 EUR!) since I didn't yet have a photo of my coin:</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.acsearch.info/media/images/archive/45/3083/3207005.m.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>Her impression was not of a heroic Hercules. She thought it looked like Max was wearing an evening gown and showing off an ample bosom. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie12" alt="o_O" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>The bare bust that RIC actually catalogues is like this:</p><p><img src="https://www.acsearch.info/media/images/archive/96/3582/3605784.m.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>Not nearly as impressive. The heroic (or evening gown?) bust doesn't seem to be in RIC at all. Apart from the Naumann example I can find only one other similar portrait, sold by CNG in 2010 (sold for 170 USD on an estimate of 200):</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.acsearch.info/media/images/archive/30/1098/863943.m.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>It looks a bit different again. Is there any drapery on the near (Max's right) shoulder? And is that an aegis, or perhaps a horse on his left shoulder? The pecs are sadly not as prominent.</p><p><br /></p><p>However, this CNG coin does allow me to talk about another neat feature. Did you notice the unusual "KOY" in the exergue of my coin? It goes with the "ΛI" in the exergue of the CNG coin just above: they belong to a coded series in which parts of Hercules' name are included, corresponding to the officina: HPKOYΛI, where HP=A, KOY=B, and ΛI = Γ. Neato, right [USER=19463]@dougsmit[/USER]? <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie85" alt=":smuggrin:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> (Harder to find than Probus's similar (A)EQVITI series.)</p><p><br /></p><p>My coin also has the scarce obverse legend variant, "P AVG" instead of "P F AVG." OK, yeah, that's kinda boring, but we all love to flyspeck when it's our coin, right? <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>So that was, I think, the coolest coin in the lot, but the other unusual coin was this antoninianus of Carus:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1020667[/ATTACH]</p><p>Carus antoninianus, Ticininum, RIC 81(S)</p><p><br /></p><p>A Greek mint worker must have been working at Ticinum because Carus's name is spelled with a K! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> I had been looking for one of these & so was pleased to spot it in the lot and get it cheap.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Please share your unusual bust types, cross-dressing coins, Maximians, coded series, and <b>spelling errors</b>!</b> (Spelling errors <i>on coins</i> that is... <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie7" alt=":p" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Severus Alexander, post: 3851866, member: 84744"]A while ago I spotted a group lot of what appeared to be ordinary late 3rd century antoniniani... but a couple of them were far from ordinary! Here's one: [ATTACH=full]1020648[/ATTACH] [SIZE=3]Maximianus (286-305), antoninianus, issued c. 290. Siscia, second officina, 3.69g, 23mm. Obv: IMP C M A VAL MAXIMIANVS P AVG; Radiate bust right, heroically nude, with slight drapery on both shoulders. Rev: CONSERVATOR AVGG / B / XXIKOY; Maximianus, holding sceptre, and Hercules, holding club, standing facing one another and sacrificing over tripod between. RIC 581var. (bust type) cf. Naumann 44 lot 1118, 07.08.2016 (RIC 580var., with the more common obverse legend)[/SIZE] Check out those pecs! :D When the coin was minted c. 290, representing Diocletian as the "Jovian" emperor and Maximian as the "Herculean" was well established. Hercules is on the reverse, and I suspect the heroically nude portrait of Maximian was meant to allude to Hercules. He was, by all accounts, a big, brawny guy, so the shoe fits pretty well. [IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c9/MSR_-_Tête_de_l%27empreur_Maximien_Hercule_-_Inv_34_b_%28cropped%29.jpg/440px-MSR_-_Tête_de_l%27empreur_Maximien_Hercule_-_Inv_34_b_%28cropped%29.jpg[/IMG] I messaged [USER=56859]@TIF[/USER] about this coin when I got it, showing her a photo of this lovely Naumann example (which sold for 725 EUR!) since I didn't yet have a photo of my coin: [IMG]https://www.acsearch.info/media/images/archive/45/3083/3207005.m.jpg[/IMG] Her impression was not of a heroic Hercules. She thought it looked like Max was wearing an evening gown and showing off an ample bosom. o_O:D The bare bust that RIC actually catalogues is like this: [IMG]https://www.acsearch.info/media/images/archive/96/3582/3605784.m.jpg[/IMG] Not nearly as impressive. The heroic (or evening gown?) bust doesn't seem to be in RIC at all. Apart from the Naumann example I can find only one other similar portrait, sold by CNG in 2010 (sold for 170 USD on an estimate of 200): [IMG]https://www.acsearch.info/media/images/archive/30/1098/863943.m.jpg[/IMG] It looks a bit different again. Is there any drapery on the near (Max's right) shoulder? And is that an aegis, or perhaps a horse on his left shoulder? The pecs are sadly not as prominent. However, this CNG coin does allow me to talk about another neat feature. Did you notice the unusual "KOY" in the exergue of my coin? It goes with the "ΛI" in the exergue of the CNG coin just above: they belong to a coded series in which parts of Hercules' name are included, corresponding to the officina: HPKOYΛI, where HP=A, KOY=B, and ΛI = Γ. Neato, right [USER=19463]@dougsmit[/USER]? :smuggrin: (Harder to find than Probus's similar (A)EQVITI series.) My coin also has the scarce obverse legend variant, "P AVG" instead of "P F AVG." OK, yeah, that's kinda boring, but we all love to flyspeck when it's our coin, right? :D So that was, I think, the coolest coin in the lot, but the other unusual coin was this antoninianus of Carus: [ATTACH=full]1020667[/ATTACH] Carus antoninianus, Ticininum, RIC 81(S) A Greek mint worker must have been working at Ticinum because Carus's name is spelled with a K! :D I had been looking for one of these & so was pleased to spot it in the lot and get it cheap. [B]Please share your unusual bust types, cross-dressing coins, Maximians, coded series, and [B]spelling errors[/B]![/B] (Spelling errors [I]on coins[/I] that is... :p)[/QUOTE]
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