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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;EyeEatWheaties, post: 1151655, member: 26972&quot;]I had typos in the other post.&nbsp; Let me try that one again.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>LDhair your 1916 MPL exhibits the die gouge in the upper loop of the 9 in the date.&nbsp; This is indicative of Obverse Die #2.&nbsp; The other posted Obverse #2 die diagnostics are die scratches which will likely wear easily if the coin has been worn at all.... and apparently those die scratches don&#039;t occur on Early Die States (EDS)</p><p><br /></p><p>Documented Obverse #2 Date Diagnostic</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z242/papasteeze/Coins/9d7833ee.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Coincidence?&nbsp; I should maybe reshoot with light from a different angle.</p><p><br /></p><p>&nbsp;<img src="http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z242/papasteeze/Coins/5dc96f69.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Here is another 1916 with a similar gouge in the upper loop of the 9 - just another coincidence?</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z242/papasteeze/Coins/628e497c.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>So let me go and try to find the scratches on Obverse #2 - I lit this coin directly from the left side it sure looks like remnants of the die scratches but then there is that pesky lamination thing going on.&nbsp; What a perfect coin to be a reject after being struck!&nbsp;&nbsp; But really I guess it is too worn to really tell.</p><p><br /></p><p>Documented Obverse #2 scratches:</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z242/papasteeze/Coins/b91a2ea5.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z242/papasteeze/Coins/eef3baa9.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>Now, this is where it gets complicated, going back to the first coin I posted, since the date thing and lack of scratches are inconclusive. I noticed that the diagnostics in the word GOD look like a perfect match to Obverse #1&nbsp; -&nbsp; what?&nbsp; this has to be just another coincidence?</b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><br /></p><p>Documented Diagnostic for Obverse #1 - Broken right side of the O in GOD</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z242/papasteeze/Coins/54bffb17.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Look at the funny shape of the lettering, it sure looks like a perfect match to me.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z242/papasteeze/Coins/34b7f6e7.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I do understand that a proof is supposed to be from a specially prepared planchet, but in the case of the Matte proof, how was the planchet prepared anyhow?</p><p><br /></p><p>Summarizing..... The black and white image is not clear enough to really see the gouge in the 9 of&nbsp; in to be able to match it up to a coin in hand. SO...&nbsp; I ask, what do the authenticators/graders at the TPG&#039;s use? They certainly don&#039;t have MPL from every die state combination at their finger tips to compare to.&nbsp; What?&nbsp; They use Coinfacts and Tru-View, these B&amp;W images? </p><p><br /></p><p>The worn nature of the coins I posted makes die scratch identification near impossible. So coins in theory, coins that have been struck with proof dies that entered circulation will not be authenticated?&nbsp; What if it was the coiners intent to create a proof, but it had sloppy rims like a business strike?&nbsp;&nbsp; Are there any Proofs grade AU?&nbsp; Why not?&nbsp; I see posts all the time of people finding modern proofs in circulation.&nbsp; A proof is a proof.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>Anyways,&nbsp; on the one coin, the word GOD is a match, so it seems to me. But is is a business strike cause it doesn&#039;t have square polished rims............... then either Proof dies were used on coins for business strikes, or could it be that the diagnostics are inaccurate for determining proofs?&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>Everything I have read so far paints scenarios where any thing is possible. I guess, my questions are again; Why when someone pursues proving or disproving something about these proofs,&nbsp; does the discussion end?&nbsp;&nbsp; Why d</p><p><br /></p><p>One thing that is apparent to me is that with hi resolution imaging widely available, issues about different dies and identification of such should be easy to put to bed......&nbsp; and yet....&nbsp; many coins worth millions are floating around and something simple like lasering these coins is instead left to guys with little loupes and crappy B&amp;W photos trying to figure out if their coin is worth a $100 or $10,000.00!&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; amazing....</p><p><br /></p><p>Where is Jesse Ventura, its a conspiracy , I tell ya![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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