Mass bannings on PCGS forums?

I liked the "Stepford Wives" part

 

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I have been active on the NGC forums since 2005 and prefer the look and feel of their site over the PCGS version. I can say whatever I want (within reason) with no negative ramifications.

I'll probably get banned from here before they kick me off NGC!

Can anyone guess where I send my coins to be certified?

 

Oh boy don't get me going on this... I got banned several years ago for a stupid little thing. A member I traded coins with was getting bashed and sent me a private message asking me to help him.
So I went on the thread and the whole thing was about some new kid wanting to buy coins. He was posting messages with very long want lists but wanted the coins for cheap. Some members were saying the kid wasn't paying
for coins they had sent him.
I had just struck a deal with this kid and he had just sent me a check.
I sold him a bunch of nice Kennedy halves for very, very cheap.
Anyway some member asked who the kid was and what his address was.
The check he had sent me was signed by the kid's mother and was from the mother's checking account.
So stupid me posted the kid's name and address since someone had asked.
I was working third shift and went to sleep after posting.
Well some of the big shots swooped down on it saying I better delete that post before I get banned. I would have deleted it but I was sleeping.
When I woke up I was already banned!
I do visit the site and keep up to date on what is going on there.
The way I understand it, you can't say anything negative about PCGS.
Even a post that hints of a negative comment is grounds for dismissal.
There is no constitutional right of the freedom of speech over there.
And there never was. It isn't a democracy.
I like the fact that the pages download quickly. There is a lot less computer hang up than there is here on CT.

 

NotSure

I like a lot of your opinions here but I generally don't have a problem with the new posting rules over at CU. They don't allow product to be bashed? It always struck me as insane that PCGS would allow posters on its boards to blast PCGS. They poof threads on CAC? That is not necessarily true -- threads that rip CAC or unduly promote CAC seem to get poofed, which again just strikes me as appropriate. If I want to freely discuss CAC, I do it here.

Also, I assume the certain person you refer to as the New Sheriff in Town is Mark Feld. Mark's a member here (doesn't post enough here any more), is opinionated and smart and tries to stick to numismatics (he gets unnecessarily worked up when someone posts about their wedding, their dogs or something else unrelated to coins). He is also a fine dealer who is willing to share his knowlege with others publicly, something most dealers are hesitant to do. Mark is also close to John Albanese and a proponent of CAC so he is hardly a PCGS lackey. Some of the banned members did not like Mark but to blame Mark for their banning is just silly. The banning came about through their own words.

Anyway, back to coins. I am glad that there is so little of the CU angst on here.:hail:

 

I don't agree with much of this but you have a right to your opinion.
Insulting remarks get folks banned on all the coin boards that matter.
This site and NGC have always had this issue under control.
PCGS is trying to get it under control but it's tough with the number of members there. There are nice ways to make a point without getting in trouble or being insulting. It makes no difference where a person makes such comments. It was made in print and in public. If you do it, you must be willing to live with the results. Just my opinion. Fire away.

 

So that's where he hangs out. I both respect and admire Mark for his expertise and willingness to share and impart that expertise as it applies to our hobby.

 

My 2 cents

I guess that was like as a woman he age!!!!!!with out the slap!!!!just a ban
If you had to pay any $$$ I make sure they refund my fee 4 sure

 

I agree 100%. There is no way to even count the number of folks Mark has helped over the years. Those that have been on the boards for many years know what I'm saying.

 

I see your point Doug. Never knew the numbers were that close. It makes me think that the few rules there, from the start, made it tough to catch up. In the early days of the site and the one before it, it was like the "old wild west". In those days it was clean fun but it grew into something way beyond that.

 

So that is where Mr. Feld spends his online time now. I always enjoyed reading his posts, I have missed seeing him here.

I do not venture into that forum, not having the expertise I would be roasted alive. At least that is the reputation I heard was that going there and showing your greeness inspired the members to heighths of flamosity.

 

Maybe I'm dense or something... but am I to understand that presently it is occurring such that what a person says in a wholly independent forum outside of PCGS' forum, can cause said person to be banned from PCGS' forum?

 

...mark is a good guy. many don't know this but HE was banned at PCGS and is

now back there.

 

LOL....I subscribe to this thread and get an e-mail everytime there's a new post. While quickley reading the title, I mistook it for reading "Mass Beatings on PCGS forums". Kind o' brought me back to my days of hearing the stories the parochial school kids used to relate.....

 

Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I lurked there for many moons before joining. When they had the Open Forum, most of the chat that was 'unwanted' in the coin forums was in the OF. Sure, some splashed over, but that was dealt with. Now, in regard to 'that member', I don't know him personally, and yes, I give him props for knowing his stuff (he'll forget more than I can ever know). He did more than simply diss some of my friends there. He sems to think, and act, like its his forum. He is always logged on, and quite honestly, when a subject gets out of hand, we never see SM1 putting a comment up and locking it any longer, it just goes 'poof'. If a thread, or even a post strays slightly off topic, bam, he's there to straighten out the class. Is it merely coincidence that since that member got reinstated, and DW became forum dictator, that longtime members got bammed, and it's so slow there now, it's boring?

One LONGTIME member gets bammed outright, no 3 strike rule, for making a posting ERROR...literally, posted something, an image, out of error, and in the 3-5 minutes it took him to change the image, he got bammed. This is a member that wouldn't post such an image intentionally.

And yes, you assume correctly that at least one member has been bammed for comments made on a forum not belonging to PCGS. I suspect that MY rights to post there are in jeopardy now, after having gotten in-depth...but I'll say this, if I, myself, name that member by NAME, I will be poofed, especially if there is a chance he comes here and reads it. There have been FAR too many GOOD, INTELLIGENT members who posted there many times, imparted much wisdom, who now can only read the forum...yet they can see it go downhill at the same time.

For the longest time I never got the 'kool-aid' thing, but eventually I 'got it', and now with whats going on over there, Jim Jones is handing it out by the bucket-load.

 

I'm a PCGS member, but have only briefly "lurked" their forums. I agree they have every right to keep their posters "on-track" and "multiple" violators should be banned after a reasonable attempt to get them back "on-track"

What worries me is if posters are banned from the forums based on unacceptable opinions rather than unacceptable focus. Banning members based on the content of opinions would have the effect of using the forums as a SHILL...even if there're only available to PCGS Members...(imho). :thumb:

 

I think the CT moderators do a GREAT job of keeping things on track, but giving a variety of personalities the space to express themselves. :bow:

Even if it's their (PCGS's) site...banning respectful, dissent with PCGS products and policies is tantamount to SHILLING.

I don't think they have people expressing positive views of PCGS in the forums while appearing to be impartial commentators (definition of "shill")...but surpressing dissenting opinions creates a de facto "shill" (imho). :kewl:

 

Cant we all just get along.......

 

notsure - While I don't have the history of the PCGS board that you have (having only been a member there 2-3 years), I have had some very positive interactions with Mark Feld. He has been very generous with information and opinion when I have solicited his advice. He has submitted coins to PCGS for me at no charge (beyond the basic PCGS fee and postage back to me). I also respect that he will challenge opinions when he has a knowledgeable information so that others can learn from his perspective. So, he comes back on that forum, states his opinion (to which you are free to disagree as he is free to express them), and you feel this leads to people being banned.

You have not presented any evidence that he does what you allege he does. So, unless you have some direct knowledge of a moderator role that he has with PCGS, your comments are libelous (by inference).