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<p>[QUOTE="Morgandude11, post: 2063004, member: 37839"]Doug, to answer your question, as you did point out some advantages of the TPGs--there are just as many folks who do not think that the grading of TPGs is whimsical, as you suggest. You make it sound as if everybody agrees with you--that Third Party graders are arbitrary, and change standards all the time. MANY folks actively disagree with your statements here, and state it openly--probably as many as support your views. However, we're not doing quantitative studies as to how many people support Doug in his opinions. </p><p><br /></p><p>The main reason I question your extreme condemnation of TPG grading "inconsistencies" as you call them is your position here. Being the "big cheese," some newer collectors, and some followers will not question your position, as you are one of the most senior persons here--they assume that everything you say is absolute gospel. I am arguing that while there is some minimal irregularity with TPGs, they get it right MOST of the time. That is the important thing--THEY GET IT RIGHT MOST OF THE TIME. The positive grading result is far higher than it was before TPGs, and when word grading scales predominated--in those "bad old days" that some folks do not remember, grading was arbitrary between buyer and seller. I could call all of my coins XF, when in reality, they might be closer to VF or even VG. Nothing questioned my call as "Joe Seller" except for the marketplace, and a lot of people ended up buying coins grossly overgraded or damaged. TPGs have equalized the playing field, so that a third party makes the call, and that third party does not have a vested interest in the transaction between buyer and seller. This is what is crucially important--an expert third party makes grading calls, and not someone who has a vested financial interest in the trading of coins. It is almost like playing hockey without a referee, and letting the teams call the infractions versus, a third party making penalty calls.</p><p><br /></p><p>Do TPGS blow the call sometimes? Of course--they are human. However, they are far more accurate in most situations, and while variances do exist, they are comparatively small. Some folks disagree with this philosophy, but you make it sound as if it were the entire coin collecting community--that is simply NOT true. Most collectors, myself included, know how to grade, buy coins that they like and do have a basic trust of the third party to make a good call. Would I buy a coin that I knew to be a "bad call" on the part of the TPG? OF course not--I buy a lot on eye appeal and what I like. The adage "buy the coin and not the holder" is certainly partially true. One's own judgement should be the final arbitrator in a purchasing situation. However, it is very nice to have a safety net, so that arms length transactions, unseen purchases, and third party buying can take place with a certain amount of reliability and safety. You think I am stating that TPGs are omniscient--far from that. I am stating that the better ones are reliable, and far from the guesswork of grading by the "word--" Very Fine, vs VF 30 from a company that does back their opinions with a guarantee. I have used said guarantee a few times, and have NEVER had trouble getting my money back--perhaps you have had other results, but I simply have not had the negative experience you describe.</p><p><br /></p><p>When it comes down to the final analysis, one needs to buy what one likes--however said person looks at it. One needs to be happy with his/her purchase.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Morgandude11, post: 2063004, member: 37839"]Doug, to answer your question, as you did point out some advantages of the TPGs--there are just as many folks who do not think that the grading of TPGs is whimsical, as you suggest. You make it sound as if everybody agrees with you--that Third Party graders are arbitrary, and change standards all the time. MANY folks actively disagree with your statements here, and state it openly--probably as many as support your views. However, we're not doing quantitative studies as to how many people support Doug in his opinions. The main reason I question your extreme condemnation of TPG grading "inconsistencies" as you call them is your position here. Being the "big cheese," some newer collectors, and some followers will not question your position, as you are one of the most senior persons here--they assume that everything you say is absolute gospel. I am arguing that while there is some minimal irregularity with TPGs, they get it right MOST of the time. That is the important thing--THEY GET IT RIGHT MOST OF THE TIME. The positive grading result is far higher than it was before TPGs, and when word grading scales predominated--in those "bad old days" that some folks do not remember, grading was arbitrary between buyer and seller. I could call all of my coins XF, when in reality, they might be closer to VF or even VG. Nothing questioned my call as "Joe Seller" except for the marketplace, and a lot of people ended up buying coins grossly overgraded or damaged. TPGs have equalized the playing field, so that a third party makes the call, and that third party does not have a vested interest in the transaction between buyer and seller. This is what is crucially important--an expert third party makes grading calls, and not someone who has a vested financial interest in the trading of coins. It is almost like playing hockey without a referee, and letting the teams call the infractions versus, a third party making penalty calls. Do TPGS blow the call sometimes? Of course--they are human. However, they are far more accurate in most situations, and while variances do exist, they are comparatively small. Some folks disagree with this philosophy, but you make it sound as if it were the entire coin collecting community--that is simply NOT true. Most collectors, myself included, know how to grade, buy coins that they like and do have a basic trust of the third party to make a good call. Would I buy a coin that I knew to be a "bad call" on the part of the TPG? OF course not--I buy a lot on eye appeal and what I like. The adage "buy the coin and not the holder" is certainly partially true. One's own judgement should be the final arbitrator in a purchasing situation. However, it is very nice to have a safety net, so that arms length transactions, unseen purchases, and third party buying can take place with a certain amount of reliability and safety. You think I am stating that TPGs are omniscient--far from that. I am stating that the better ones are reliable, and far from the guesswork of grading by the "word--" Very Fine, vs VF 30 from a company that does back their opinions with a guarantee. I have used said guarantee a few times, and have NEVER had trouble getting my money back--perhaps you have had other results, but I simply have not had the negative experience you describe. When it comes down to the final analysis, one needs to buy what one likes--however said person looks at it. One needs to be happy with his/her purchase.[/QUOTE]
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