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Message:: [QUOTE="mikenoodle, post: 404532, member: 307"]Doug - In answer to your question, yes it can be uncirculated and therefore Mint State even without the horn. I think I understand where your going with this is that if you work from the diagnostics of the "non-full horn" MS coin, and see no wear on a coin except where normal wear would be to qualify as XF, would THAT coin qualify as XF? I think that whether you do or don't  is a subjective answer in and of itself. As far as technical grading, I am talking about grading by diagnostic points of wear as most coins tend to wear in largely the same ways due to height of relief, etc. The LESS subjective part of grading. As far as the comment on whether or not someone knows what they are talking about and how that affects their right to post in a thread here is ludicrous. We should hear all people's opinions on a given subject, and let the reader make the judgement as to whether or not the poster is knowledgeable. Most idiots reveal themselves through their words and no one needs point it out.[/QUOTE]