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<p>[QUOTE="Roman Collector, post: 4666250, member: 75937"]I have notified [USER=110988]@paulus_dinius[/USER] (Paul Dinsdale) of the existence of this coin and encouraged him to read this thread and he kindly replied. Moreover, he cleared up the confusion about the various bust types. I share, with his permission, the following:</p><p><br /></p><p>Dear Roman Collector,</p><p><br /></p><p>Very many thanks for spotting this very rare coin. I have added the coin into the catalogue with a reference to the discussion board. I am very grateful to you for keeping your eyes open for these rare coins.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>An interesting discussion on the Forum follows the publication of the coin. It shows many of the confusion that frequently occur with head or bust-type descriptions. The descriptions in my catalogue were deliberately chosen to be neutral and avoid as much confusion as possible. The division between the various bust types are usually very clear:</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>Draped far shoulder</b>: usually a simple loop of fabric before the neck, sometimes with a further fold over the shoulder behind.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Aegis</b>: The loop before the neck is usually deeper and contains a Medusa-head against the shoulder, the aegis is usually fringed with tassels or snakeheads.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Draped</b>: Folded fabric covers the back and chest; the fabric may be parted on the shoulder to reveal either the smooth shoulder or faint indications of further fabric below. Ptergyes, the regular strap-like sections of armour on the shoulder are never present.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Cuirassed</b>: Armour only. The back and chest do not shoulder folded fabric. The back or chest may show smooth (leather) or scale (iron) armour. Broad straps usually extend from front to back over the shoulders. Ptergyes, the regular strap-like sections of armour on the shoulder are always present. The bust may include a small loop of fabric on the rear shoulder. This feature is not always present, and so is not determinative of type – it should not be included in the description as draped or draped l. shoulder as this only leads to confusion.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Draped and cuirassed</b>: Folded fabric covers the back and chest; the fabric is parted to reveal the Ptergyes, the regular strap-like sections of armour on the shoulder. The clear presence of the regular division of the ptergyes are main indicators of this obv. type, and the separation of this type from the draped-only busts.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>The bust-type codes in my catalogue were designed specifically for the Antonine coinages. Coins of different periods would require different lists, as in the different volumes of RIC.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>One of the participants of the discussion mentions punctuation within legends. This is one of the major black-holes of coin collecting / cataloguing. All indications show that there was no agreed principals as to when, where, or even if punctuation was used by the ancient die-engravers. It varied from die-to-die even within the same issue. Also, as a very small feature, it is often one of the most frequently lost through wear or corrosion. It therefore cannot be determinative of type – i.e. the broad outlines of design and legends that informed the production of a particular issue. Type catalogues, like RIC and my listings, do not generally notice the punctuation. The punctuation of the legends in RIC and Cohen is modern. Specimen catalogues, like BMCRE and Hunter, have a different intention. They sent out to document every specimen in their collections, and so punctuation is important as showing where different dies have been used to produce coins of the same Type.</p><p><br /></p><p>Thanks once again to the Aurelius coin – I have added it into the lists.</p><p><br /></p><p>All the best</p><p><br /></p><p>Paul</p><p><br /></p><p>He has added [USER=15588]@ewomack[/USER] 's coin to <a href="http://romanpaulus.x10host.com/Marcus/08%20-%20Marcus%20Aurelius%20-%20TR%20POT%20XVII%20Period,%20162-163%20%28med_res%29.pdf" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://romanpaulus.x10host.com/Marcus/08%20-%20Marcus%20Aurelius%20-%20TR%20POT%20XVII%20Period,%20162-163%20%28med_res%29.pdf" rel="nofollow">his book</a> as number 011710.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Roman Collector, post: 4666250, member: 75937"]I have notified [USER=110988]@paulus_dinius[/USER] (Paul Dinsdale) of the existence of this coin and encouraged him to read this thread and he kindly replied. Moreover, he cleared up the confusion about the various bust types. I share, with his permission, the following: Dear Roman Collector, Very many thanks for spotting this very rare coin. I have added the coin into the catalogue with a reference to the discussion board. I am very grateful to you for keeping your eyes open for these rare coins. An interesting discussion on the Forum follows the publication of the coin. It shows many of the confusion that frequently occur with head or bust-type descriptions. The descriptions in my catalogue were deliberately chosen to be neutral and avoid as much confusion as possible. The division between the various bust types are usually very clear: [B]Draped far shoulder[/B]: usually a simple loop of fabric before the neck, sometimes with a further fold over the shoulder behind. [B]Aegis[/B]: The loop before the neck is usually deeper and contains a Medusa-head against the shoulder, the aegis is usually fringed with tassels or snakeheads. [B]Draped[/B]: Folded fabric covers the back and chest; the fabric may be parted on the shoulder to reveal either the smooth shoulder or faint indications of further fabric below. Ptergyes, the regular strap-like sections of armour on the shoulder are never present. [B]Cuirassed[/B]: Armour only. The back and chest do not shoulder folded fabric. The back or chest may show smooth (leather) or scale (iron) armour. Broad straps usually extend from front to back over the shoulders. Ptergyes, the regular strap-like sections of armour on the shoulder are always present. The bust may include a small loop of fabric on the rear shoulder. This feature is not always present, and so is not determinative of type – it should not be included in the description as draped or draped l. shoulder as this only leads to confusion. [B]Draped and cuirassed[/B]: Folded fabric covers the back and chest; the fabric is parted to reveal the Ptergyes, the regular strap-like sections of armour on the shoulder. The clear presence of the regular division of the ptergyes are main indicators of this obv. type, and the separation of this type from the draped-only busts. The bust-type codes in my catalogue were designed specifically for the Antonine coinages. Coins of different periods would require different lists, as in the different volumes of RIC. One of the participants of the discussion mentions punctuation within legends. This is one of the major black-holes of coin collecting / cataloguing. All indications show that there was no agreed principals as to when, where, or even if punctuation was used by the ancient die-engravers. It varied from die-to-die even within the same issue. Also, as a very small feature, it is often one of the most frequently lost through wear or corrosion. It therefore cannot be determinative of type – i.e. the broad outlines of design and legends that informed the production of a particular issue. Type catalogues, like RIC and my listings, do not generally notice the punctuation. The punctuation of the legends in RIC and Cohen is modern. Specimen catalogues, like BMCRE and Hunter, have a different intention. They sent out to document every specimen in their collections, and so punctuation is important as showing where different dies have been used to produce coins of the same Type. Thanks once again to the Aurelius coin – I have added it into the lists. All the best Paul He has added [USER=15588]@ewomack[/USER] 's coin to [URL='http://romanpaulus.x10host.com/Marcus/08%20-%20Marcus%20Aurelius%20-%20TR%20POT%20XVII%20Period,%20162-163%20%28med_res%29.pdf']his book[/URL] as number 011710.[/QUOTE]
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