Machine Damage... I don't see it or get it.

Got a 40 coin economy order back Saturday, and only 2 coins didn't grade. Can anyone help me understand this? The Morgan is a full MS64 and the Mercury Dime has full bands. Can anyone help me see it or understand it?

 

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On the Mercury, it may be the tops of the letters LIB.

 

.....and part of IGWT and the date.

I'm not sure about the Morgan. Have you asked PCGS?

Chris

 

I'd really like to know the reasoning myself.

 

I don't see counting machine damage on either of those coins. What were you hoping for on the Mercury? MS66 FB?

 

Yeah, I sent in a late date short set of Mercs and they all graded except for this one. I got 2 ms67's and a bunch of ms65 and 66 FB's.

 

whats this?

 

I only see a die crack between the letters e and r in liberty on the dime. I really can't see anything on the Morgan. But look at another thread that shown a coin with a big gauge and they graded it MS 64 or something. Go figure/

 

That is pretty subtle... I would be curious to know if the toning drew their attention to those areas. If those were my coins, I would dip them and re-submit them... just to see if they are consistent in their interpretation of these coins.

 

I'd never dip that Morgan. I'm too in love with the toning!

 

I saw that too, Doug, but what kind of machine could have caused it?

Of course, we all know that PCGS never makes mistakes.

Chris

 

Machine damage should be considered a mint error! Lol! Anyone agree?

 

I can see that now... looks like the letters are sheared off!

 

My suggestion? Try the Morgan at NGC and sell the Merc raw at this point.

 

The Morgan will probably get another shot at grading because it's a very high end 64 in my opinion, or perhaps a 65, but the merc dime in 66 FB is one a $50 coin, so I'll just eat my losses that one...

 

IDK C-B-D, I disagree with your grade on that Morgan. Maybe the pictures aren't good, but I give it a 63 max. Way too many contact marks on the devices and abrassions in the fields. I might be way off base, but that's what I see from the pictures posted.

I really like the toning though.

 

I think PCGS is getting a little picky on the Morgan especially . I just wish they'd be as picky on their grades . BTW I like both coins .

 

I don't believe that the lettering is indicative of machine damage since the lettering closest to the edge of the coin usually appears "flattened" on weak strike. I would expect that if the lettering were actually damaged enough to shear off the lettering that there would be additional evidence in the fields since it takes quite a bit of force to literally "shear" portions of the coin away.

Consider this MS67 IKE.



I look at that coin and say What the Heck were they Thinking?

For the Morgan, I don't see any "machine damage" as much as I see PCGS playing it safe. The damage over the eye could very well be from coin to coin contact which I assume it is.

 

I agree