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<p>[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 2931223, member: 85693"]Did you ever face an eBay "Buy It Now" situation where you thought you'd better bid fast or someone else would swoop in and get it? I try not to succumb to this, but every once in a while I do. Sometimes I regret it...</p><p><br /></p><p>In this case, the seller had good photos, but described it as a "1/12th stater" of Roman Emperor of Philip II ("The Arab's" son). That clearly wasn't correct. But I know very little about Greek fractionals, so frantically going through Google Image search, I found that its design matched Macedonian 1/12th staters of Philip II. Exciting, yes, but the problem is, the coin in question is made of silver, Philip's 1/12th staters are gold. </p><p><br /></p><p>According to Wikipedia, staters were typically silver, not gold, at least until the Macedonians came along, so this denomination in silver is plausible in a general Greek way. </p><p><br /></p><p>I found only one other example of this coin in silver, a current offering on eBay from a seller in Greece. Hardly reassuring! This example is fairly well photographed, is much more off center than mine, and shinier (mine is a bit dull - base metal or just toned, I'm not sure) and weighs about the same. He describes his as an "obol" and a "fractional." </p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/MACEDON-GREECE-ASIA-ALEXANDER-THE-GREAT-SILVER-FRACTION-or-KING-PHILIP-II-RARE/311882772767?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/MACEDON-GREECE-ASIA-ALEXANDER-THE-GREAT-SILVER-FRACTION-or-KING-PHILIP-II-RARE/311882772767?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649" rel="nofollow">https://www.ebay.com/itm/MACEDON-GREECE-ASIA-ALEXANDER-THE-GREAT-SILVER-FRACTION-or-KING-PHILIP-II-RARE/311882772767?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649</a></p><p><br /></p><p>I thought the coin was attractive, and it is struck (not cast - not proof against a fake, but better than nothing). So is this a phoney? Has anybody seen such a coin? Below are photos and my stab at attribution (based on gold examples I found on line). Any help greatly appreciated: </p><p><b>[ATTACH=full]711792[/ATTACH] </b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>[ATTACH=full]711793[/ATTACH] </b></p><p><b>Macedonia - Philip II (?)</b></p><p><b>1/12 Stater in Silver (?)</b></p><p><b>(c. 359-336 B.C.)</b></p><p><b>Pella Mint (?)</b></p><p>Laureate head of Apollo right / ΦIΛIΠΠOY, thunderbolt above, facing lion's head below.</p><p>Sim. (but in gold): Le Rider 26; SNG ANS 209-15.</p><p>(0.86 grams / 9 mm)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 2931223, member: 85693"]Did you ever face an eBay "Buy It Now" situation where you thought you'd better bid fast or someone else would swoop in and get it? I try not to succumb to this, but every once in a while I do. Sometimes I regret it... In this case, the seller had good photos, but described it as a "1/12th stater" of Roman Emperor of Philip II ("The Arab's" son). That clearly wasn't correct. But I know very little about Greek fractionals, so frantically going through Google Image search, I found that its design matched Macedonian 1/12th staters of Philip II. Exciting, yes, but the problem is, the coin in question is made of silver, Philip's 1/12th staters are gold. According to Wikipedia, staters were typically silver, not gold, at least until the Macedonians came along, so this denomination in silver is plausible in a general Greek way. I found only one other example of this coin in silver, a current offering on eBay from a seller in Greece. Hardly reassuring! This example is fairly well photographed, is much more off center than mine, and shinier (mine is a bit dull - base metal or just toned, I'm not sure) and weighs about the same. He describes his as an "obol" and a "fractional." [url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/MACEDON-GREECE-ASIA-ALEXANDER-THE-GREAT-SILVER-FRACTION-or-KING-PHILIP-II-RARE/311882772767?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649[/url] I thought the coin was attractive, and it is struck (not cast - not proof against a fake, but better than nothing). So is this a phoney? Has anybody seen such a coin? Below are photos and my stab at attribution (based on gold examples I found on line). Any help greatly appreciated: [B][ATTACH=full]711792[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]711793[/ATTACH] Macedonia - Philip II (?) 1/12 Stater in Silver (?) (c. 359-336 B.C.) Pella Mint (?)[/B] Laureate head of Apollo right / ΦIΛIΠΠOY, thunderbolt above, facing lion's head below. Sim. (but in gold): Le Rider 26; SNG ANS 209-15. (0.86 grams / 9 mm)[/QUOTE]
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