Macedon civic issue? Ae16 Zeus / Thunderbolt

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Finn235, Jun 16, 2020.

  1. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    Never fails - I end up unexpectedly keeping at least one coin out of almost every lot I ever buy to flip.

    The latest stood out to me for the very clean, well-centered, and high relief portrait of Zeus, although an exact ID is eluding me.

    Macedon?
    Ae16, 3.84g
    Obv: Laureate head of Zeus right (although it also reminds me of the Pergamon issues with Asklepios)
    Rev: Winged thunderbolt, __AT/NΩN
    AE16 Zeus thunderbolt.jpg

    The closest match I was able to find is this one, which obviously has different letters and an overall different style:
    https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=5859901

    Any ideas appreciated!
     
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  3. medoraman

    medoraman Well-Known Member

    No idea on the coin, but have a question: You buy groups of ancients, then turn around and sell them? I mean, trade a COIN for something like money?

    I don't understand. :)
     
  4. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    I appreciate your confusion. Here's how it works:
    The money is only temporary, kind of like a place-holder in the collection until a new coin or coin lot comes along. Then it is quickly converted back into something of value.
     
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  5. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Not sure I can be of much help here, but I've been buying a lot of unattributed Greeks off eBay and have recently come across two that are similar, one of which I cannot figure out.

    Here's a thunderbolt, but with Ares (or is it Batman?) from Metropolis, Ionia:

    Ionia Metropolis - Ares & Thunderbolt Diogenes June 2020 (0).jpg
    Ionia, Metropolis Æ 15
    (c. 100-50 B.C.)
    Diogenes magistrate

    Helmeted head of Ares right / ΔIOΓENHΣ, Winged thunderbolt; monogram above.
    SNG Copenhagen 904.
    (4.19 grams / 15 mm)

    Here is the one I cannot figure out - Herakles and his club. I think it is from Sicily, but I cannot get the reverse letters to line up with a locale: _K __AT / B(?)AIΩN.

    The layout reminded me of the OP, so I thought I'd toss it out here (7.80 grams / 20 mm):
    Unknown - AE Herculese & club Jun 2020 (0).jpg

    Unknown - AE Herculese & club Jun 2020 (0 rev2).jpg
     
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  6. ab initio

    ab initio Well-Known Member

    The Herakles / Club AE is from Skotussa in Thessaly.
     
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  7. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    You are wonderful! Thank you so much - I wasn't even in the ballpark on this one.

    Here is a nice one from a CNG auction that looks a lot like mine (but with complete legends):

    THESSALY, Skotoussa - Herakles & Club - CNG Auct. like mine pic.jpg
    https://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=304743

    Found one at numista too: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces143427.html

    Again, thanks a million, ab initio! :joyful:

    P.S. Sorry Fin235 about hijacking this thread. It was an accident! :sorry:
     
  8. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    No worries! Ill keep poking/asking around and post back here if I figure it out!
     
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  9. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    Steve I've been busy on with end of term exams! But this weekend I'll have a bit of free time and will have a dig around to see what I can find....The reverse thunderbolt still makes me lean towards Zeus as he has so many different portrait styles although your thoughts of Asklepios are interesting, I've just not had a chance to follow them up, plus there are another couple of options I'd like to look into one area worth a look at maybe is Sicily??....
    There also seems to be a couple of letters to the left of the thunderbolt facing West NE??..... Paul
     
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  10. Bob L.

    Bob L. Well-Known Member

    Steve, see: https://www.biddr.com/auctions/themisnumismatics/browse?a=549&l=560967

    Similar legend here, although with the "H" in ΠΕΛΤ-ΗΝΩΝ. (Maybe the H and first N on yours are ligate?) Also has a club rather than winged thunderbolt: https://www.asiaminorcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=180&pid=14538#top_display_media


    Edit: Steve, I note that the flan shape on the first linked coin appears close to yours. I've zoomed in on a detail - the little crack at 5:00 obverse. Are these the same coin? (Hopefully yes, and nothing more dubious than that)

    crack compare.jpg
     
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  11. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    Bob to the rescue!

    Thanks - it is indeed the same coin - apparently Themis put it into a bulk lot when it didn't sell in that auction. Interesting that the second lot you listed has a club, rather than a winged thunderbolt.

    Now that I have a keyword to search, I was able to find one in the upcoming Savoca Blue auction, although I can't find much on ACSearch.

    https://www.biddr.com/auctions/savoca/browse?a=1158&l=1237151

    I really don't know how you do it so quickly!
     
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  12. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    LOL!!! When I was a kid learning how to collect coins, my Grandmother would take me to a coin shop every week. I would come out with a few coins... HOWEVER, I was somewhat berrated with:
    "WHY would you spend good money to BUY OLD MONEY???"
     
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  13. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    ......Me neither....Great detective work Bob!.....
    Very nice coin Steve!
     
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