M. Plaetorius M.f. Cestianus. denarius - new entry

Oh, we'll mine is still from Nicolas. Sorry your's isn't. ROFL!!

 

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I'm glad you clarified that-- I wasn't sure which you meant.

Thanks for that research, Carthago! Hmm, the mystery remains. Have you dug up any examples showing the "corn-ear" or "corn-grain" control marks? I didn't see any likely candidates during a quick pass through ACsearch.

I had hoped to win a Cestianus denarius recently but alas, I was outbid by Clio .

I love an interesting pedigree and recently picked up a few of these ex-E.E. Clain-Stefanelli coins. Hopefully they will arrive within the week

 

Thank you @Carthago for the research. I haven't find any myself that would get closer to mine than the one you found with that "fly ?"
As TIF said the mystery remains, and the coin, above its provenance, is getting more and more interesting

Q

 

I didn't really look for one, TIF. I was just looking for a match to Cucumber's coin. A quick look through CoinArchives didn't have anything jumps out me as a corn ear either.

 

I saw this post a little late. I have seen many of these with various control marks. One problem with the attributions of the marks is that many are not entirely certain or even obvious. Many respected dealers describe them as various things which are not apparent to me. With this coin I think it is fair to say it is some sort of vegetation. But which? Possibly grain, lotus, simple bunch of leaves, etc. I dont think you will find too many who will agree on any attribution consistently. One auction house tends to describe their coins simply as 'control mark' in left field.

 

The control mark is unlikely a corn ear, as it looks nothing like the corn ears commonly found on RR coins (see the Norbanus reverse in Zumbly's post for typical corn ear rendering). I strongly suspect it's hanging fruit, possibly an olive sprig.

 

Yes, I change my thought: Olive sprig seems more logical.

 

Looking through Crawford's list of control marks for the type, I call dibs on the next one with a seahorse!

 

Oooops, I almost neglected to toss-in my example from this fella ...

M. Plaetorius M.f. Cestianus AR Denarius
Rome mint
67 BC
Diameter: 18 mm
Weight: 3.77 grams
Obverse: Helmeted and draped bust right of Vacuna, with attributes of Isis, Minerva, Apollo, Diana, and Victory; cornucopia below chin; bow and quiver on shoulder
Reverse: Eagle perched right, head left, on thunderbolt
Reference: Crawford 409/1; Sydenham 809; Plaetoria 4




Oh, and again => Q, congrats on scoring that fine OP-example, my coin-friend

 

Another Plaetoria:

M. Plaetorius M.f. Cestianus. Denarius 69, AR (18mm, 3.92g, 6h). Draped female bust r.; behind, crescent. Rev. M PLAETORI CEST S·C Half-length bust of Sors facing upon tablet inscribed SORS. Babelon Plaetoria 10. Sydenham 801. Crawford 405/2.

 

This thread had some beautiful and interesting coins. Here is my poor example of a Plaetorius coin

M. PLAETORIUS M.F. CESTIANUS ROMAN REPUBLIC; GENS PLAETORIA
AR Denarius
OBVERSE: Bust of an Vacuna right, wearing a wreathed and crested helmet, bow and quiver on shoulder, cornucopiae below chin
REVERSE: M PLAETORIVS M F AED CVR Eagle right, on
thunderbolt, head left
Rome 67 BC
3.7g, 18 mm
Cr409/1; Syd 809; Plaetoria 4

 

I need one of these. Nice OP coin and especially interesting control mark.
Z - great first coin, your reverse looks like a ZZ Top flying guitar.

 

Thanks, I definitely prefer this reverse in its rock n' roll orientation .

 

Gorgeous posts guys!!! it seems there are almost an infinite number of RR denarii that I still have not even a single example, not only by moneyer but by devices.

 

Here's another Plaetoria, this time minting for Brutus.

Brutus and L. Plaetorius Cestianus, AR Denarius. (19mm, 3.78g, 12h). 43-42 B.C. Mint moving with Brutus. L PLAET CEST. Laureate and draped bust of Ceres to right wearing necklace and modius. Rv. BRVT IMP. Axe and culullus. CR 508/2. Syd. 1300.

One of my better provenanced coins:

Monnaies et Medailles, Oct 1984, Lot 475; Carlo Crippa Jan-March 1972 Lot 375; H.P. Hall collection, Glendinning, 1950, lot 647; Hess, Lucerne, December, 1933, lot 250; Vierordt collection, Schulman, Amsterdam, 1923, lot 495; Tolstoi collection, Hess, March 1912 Lot 787.

 

Nice.

 

Great coin and provenance!

 

Wow @Carthago, I'm really impressed by that one ; thanks for showing it in that thread

Q

 

Ditto!! Incredible coin in every way @Carthago !!

 

A beauty. I love to toning on it.