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<p>[QUOTE="Ed Snible, post: 3230831, member: 82322"]Sharp triobol!</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>No one knows the meaning of the triskeles. It is known from the bronze age.</p><p><br /></p><p>Both words are from the ancient Greek.</p><p><a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/triskele" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/triskele" rel="nofollow">https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/triskele</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/triskelion" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/triskelion" rel="nofollow">https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/triskelion</a></p><p><br /></p><p>In numismatics, 'triskeles' is singular. For example, John Melville Jones (<i>A Dictionary of Ancient Greek Coins</i>) defines it as “... <i>a</i> device formed or based upon three legs joined at the hip...”. [emphasis mine].</p><p><br /></p><p>Wikipedia and Wiktionary considers the word to be '<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triskele" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triskele" rel="nofollow">triskele</a>'. '<a href="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/triskeles" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/triskeles" rel="nofollow">triskeles</a>' is the plural of 'triskele'. This isn't merely a Wikipedia error, the <i>Oxford English Dictionary</i> considers the word to be 'triskele', although it undermines itself because of one its reference citations uses 'triskeles' in a singular context.</p><p><br /></p><p>Google Books knew of 846 mentions of 'triskele' and 780 mentions of 'triskeles' when I checked a few years ago. Some of the triskeles mentions are from numismatic fields, which use the word as a singular, and others are clearly using it as a plural (for example, discussing “scrolls and triskeles”.</p><p><br /></p><p>The earliest English reference in Google Books to 'triskele' is 1868, <i>The runic hall in the Danish old-northern museum</i> by George Stephens. The earliest singular reference to 'triskeles' is an article on acquisitions of the British Museum in <i>The Classical Review</i> from 1889.</p><p><br /></p><p>I discussed this topic in a thread on <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=59564.0" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=59564.0" rel="nofollow">FORUM's Classical Numismatics Discussion Board</a> where it came out that the Greek word <i>Tri-skelês</i> is an adjective and thus neither singular nor plural. A similar Greek word that made it into English as an adjective is 'isosceles' used to describe triangles.</p><p><br /></p><p>I believe there are enough authorities using 'triskeles' as a singular to get it into the <i>OED</i> and other dictionaries as a variant spelling of 'triskele'. Certainly Barclay Head uses it as singular, and the <i>OED</i> cites him as an authority under 'triskeles' (for the similar word 'triskelion'). I think we have a case of the same Greek word being borrowed into English twice — with different spellings![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Ed Snible, post: 3230831, member: 82322"]Sharp triobol! No one knows the meaning of the triskeles. It is known from the bronze age. Both words are from the ancient Greek. [url]https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/triskele[/url] [url]https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/triskelion[/url] In numismatics, 'triskeles' is singular. For example, John Melville Jones ([I]A Dictionary of Ancient Greek Coins[/I]) defines it as “... [I]a[/I] device formed or based upon three legs joined at the hip...”. [emphasis mine]. Wikipedia and Wiktionary considers the word to be '[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triskele']triskele[/URL]'. '[URL='http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/triskeles']triskeles[/URL]' is the plural of 'triskele'. This isn't merely a Wikipedia error, the [I]Oxford English Dictionary[/I] considers the word to be 'triskele', although it undermines itself because of one its reference citations uses 'triskeles' in a singular context. Google Books knew of 846 mentions of 'triskele' and 780 mentions of 'triskeles' when I checked a few years ago. Some of the triskeles mentions are from numismatic fields, which use the word as a singular, and others are clearly using it as a plural (for example, discussing “scrolls and triskeles”. The earliest English reference in Google Books to 'triskele' is 1868, [I]The runic hall in the Danish old-northern museum[/I] by George Stephens. The earliest singular reference to 'triskeles' is an article on acquisitions of the British Museum in [I]The Classical Review[/I] from 1889. I discussed this topic in a thread on [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=59564.0']FORUM's Classical Numismatics Discussion Board[/URL] where it came out that the Greek word [I]Tri-skelês[/I] is an adjective and thus neither singular nor plural. A similar Greek word that made it into English as an adjective is 'isosceles' used to describe triangles. I believe there are enough authorities using 'triskeles' as a singular to get it into the [I]OED[/I] and other dictionaries as a variant spelling of 'triskele'. Certainly Barclay Head uses it as singular, and the [I]OED[/I] cites him as an authority under 'triskeles' (for the similar word 'triskelion'). I think we have a case of the same Greek word being borrowed into English twice — with different spellings![/QUOTE]
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