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<p>[QUOTE="ewomack, post: 8354296, member: 15588"]It looks like Beethoven was living in Vienna, Austria in 1795. Groschen can apparently mean a "small German silver coin" or "a German ten-pfennig piece."</p><p><br /></p><p>This is an Austrian (Salzburg) 1 Pfenning piece from 1795 - it was early in Beethoven's career, so perhaps this was enough to get upset over at the time? But it seems like "Groschen" typically referred to silver coins.</p><p><img src="https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/RTkAAOSwg6tiOhtK/s-l1600.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/CPoAAOSw~5RiOhtN/s-l1600.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Or perhaps he was upset more by something like this 12 Kreutzer?</p><p><img src="https://katzauction.b-cdn.net/imgs/46/auc_46_BT29.jpg?ver=32513" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>Somewhere else I saw that "Groschen" came to mean a "12 Pfenning" coin in Germany, but I don't see any "Groschen" from the 1790s.</p><p><br /></p><p>The passion of the piece would suggest that he lost something more like this:</p><p><img src="https://www.coinweek.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/34861_261-5068-1pl2-habsburg.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="ewomack, post: 8354296, member: 15588"]It looks like Beethoven was living in Vienna, Austria in 1795. Groschen can apparently mean a "small German silver coin" or "a German ten-pfennig piece." This is an Austrian (Salzburg) 1 Pfenning piece from 1795 - it was early in Beethoven's career, so perhaps this was enough to get upset over at the time? But it seems like "Groschen" typically referred to silver coins. [IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/RTkAAOSwg6tiOhtK/s-l1600.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/CPoAAOSw~5RiOhtN/s-l1600.jpg[/IMG] Or perhaps he was upset more by something like this 12 Kreutzer? [IMG]https://katzauction.b-cdn.net/imgs/46/auc_46_BT29.jpg?ver=32513[/IMG] Somewhere else I saw that "Groschen" came to mean a "12 Pfenning" coin in Germany, but I don't see any "Groschen" from the 1790s. The passion of the piece would suggest that he lost something more like this: [IMG]https://www.coinweek.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/34861_261-5068-1pl2-habsburg.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
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