Lost lost MATTE PROOF?!?

You know.. you haven’t post picture from directly above the coin..obverse and reverse... it’s always been at angels.. if your not trying to hide something and build yourself up like you are then you can post true picture that can be attributed correctly... I don’t believe that you have what you say you have. It is a very nice coin but it not a matted proof...

 

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LOOK AT THOSE OBLIQUE ANGLES, THE ARTFUL SHADOWS AND BLURRED FOCUS, THE IN-FOCUS CLOSE-UP WITH A FINGER OBSCURING THE V.D.B....

 

I'm waiting for the 1969-S LMC doubled die. Surely he has that one too. There was a poster at NGC forums that had a 1969-S LMC that he would not take no for an answer on it being a DDO. Same MO as this guy. Crappy pictures. Evasive. Argumentative. Eventually no one responded to his thread and I guess he ended up here.

 

This appears to be just like the 1988 DDO that he posted and replied to many times. Hey @Hunting Rare! Did you send it in? This doesn’t appear to be a proof. I hope I’m wrong on both accounts for you, I love to see someone find a gem!

 

Initially the rims looked a bit wide.
But other than that, nothing looks like anything other than a business strike.
"It's a proof trust me." So pay the money and have it certified and graded.
If it comes back a proof I will admit I was mistaken and congratulate you.

 

The strike just isn't that strong, especially for a proof that has been struck twice. Compare to my business strike of 1909, which is known for very good strikes to begin with.
The letters and rim and bust are just super strong.

 

A few years back I submitted some Lincoln VDBs to NGC. They all looked very sharp but I knew they weren't matte proofs - they were simply nice examples that I expected to come back as MS and problem free (and they did). Take a look: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/pl...909-vdb-lincoln-cents-x7.295679/#post-2727986

This one's my favorite of the bunch I submitted, but it's also clearly not a matte proof because the dot is not centered after the "D", and the other die markers weren't there.

 

I'm telling you guys this is a circulated 1909 V.D.B. Matte Proof Lincoln Cent.....regardless of how bad my photos are.

 

There is no way to tell where the dot is in your last photo.
My instinct says it is going to come back as genuine 1909 VDB- XF 45.

 

What does the PCGS slab state ?
that's the definitive answer.

 

That dot looks like it's right next to the D and not between the D and B.

 

Yeah, definitely not. I'd have to be an idiot not to check that first thing right off the bat.

 

Ok, keep us updated when you get this coin back from the TPG.

 

I was sitting a bit on the fence here.......but now I've fallen over to the "It's Not A Proof" camp.

 

You're repeating yourself.

 

Can even see crescent die chip, middle dot and even die crack through it if you zoom in enough.....But the small "R" in "AMERICA" compared to the business strike matte looking example earlier in this thread is one dead giveaway. Not to mention the small cud on the reverse rim at 4 o'clock which matches attributed V.D.B. M.P.L.'s of the same die stage, which is LATE. And also a die crack between left wheat stalk and left rim which is pretty long and seen on all L.D.S. V.D.P. M.P.L.'s.

 

Send the darn thing to a TPG and quit screwing around.

Nobody can say for certain if it has the key diagnostics, based on your pics. All you're doing is alienating members and getting on a lot of Ignore lists.

Send it in and post the results when it comes back

 

ALRIGHT! Last 2 because they looked cool and you can see how amazing the strike is even after wear. I'm changing my grade back to PR50 no details.

 

Deleted unhelpful post. Let's all chip in 1$ so OP can send his coin off for authentication.