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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 8125766, member: 112"]Both the slab pic and cert pic say the same thing - original. It's the pictures that are contradictory.</p><p><br /></p><p>I think the answer is simple and right in front of us. When a coin is slabbed, and the obv is oriented correctly with the head at 12 and date at 6, then the rev must also be oriented correctly and match the die alignment that was used when the coin was struck. And it is the die alignment that was used for striking that determines if the eagle is flying upwards or sideways. And of course when you flip a slab, if you flip it vertically and the rev is upright as it should be then the coin was struck with a coin turn, and when you flip it horizontally and the rev is upright then the coin was struck with a medal turn.</p><p><br /></p><p>Based on what you said in the beginning -</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>That would mean this coin -</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/slab-image-jpg.1414491/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>- is from the second group of originals.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>At the same time it would mean that this picture is incorrect -</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/cert-image-jpg.1414492/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Because rather obviously the eagle is flying level in the slab pic and the slab is definitely being held upright so it shows, and shows correctly, the way the eagle is actually flying - and it's level, not upwards as this pic shows.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>This is what coins from group 1 are supposed to look like.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Ye0AAOSwwxlgx~3s/s-l1600.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/gB8AAOSwUndgx~3t/s-l1600.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>And as those pics show the eagle is definitely flying upwards. And that coin was struck with a coin turn, not a medal turn.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now I don't know if that answers your question or not but the two things certainly show us that somebody got that cert pic wrong in the way they depicted it. The labeling of the pic is correct, the coin is a medal turn, it's the orientation of the rev in the pic they got incorrect.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 8125766, member: 112"]Both the slab pic and cert pic say the same thing - original. It's the pictures that are contradictory. I think the answer is simple and right in front of us. When a coin is slabbed, and the obv is oriented correctly with the head at 12 and date at 6, then the rev must also be oriented correctly and match the die alignment that was used when the coin was struck. And it is the die alignment that was used for striking that determines if the eagle is flying upwards or sideways. And of course when you flip a slab, if you flip it vertically and the rev is upright as it should be then the coin was struck with a coin turn, and when you flip it horizontally and the rev is upright then the coin was struck with a medal turn. Based on what you said in the beginning - That would mean this coin - [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/slab-image-jpg.1414491/[/IMG] - is from the second group of originals. At the same time it would mean that this picture is incorrect - [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/cert-image-jpg.1414492/[/IMG] Because rather obviously the eagle is flying level in the slab pic and the slab is definitely being held upright so it shows, and shows correctly, the way the eagle is actually flying - and it's level, not upwards as this pic shows. This is what coins from group 1 are supposed to look like. [IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Ye0AAOSwwxlgx~3s/s-l1600.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/gB8AAOSwUndgx~3t/s-l1600.jpg[/IMG] And as those pics show the eagle is definitely flying upwards. And that coin was struck with a coin turn, not a medal turn. Now I don't know if that answers your question or not but the two things certainly show us that somebody got that cert pic wrong in the way they depicted it. The labeling of the pic is correct, the coin is a medal turn, it's the orientation of the rev in the pic they got incorrect.[/QUOTE]
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