Looking for my first ancient pick up..

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by mpcusa, Feb 4, 2023.

  1. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    I am a gold guy mostly krugerrands, $20 liberties and saint but was thinking about dabbling a bit in ancients, I dont really feel comfortable picking up non graded examples
    especially with the amount of fakes that are out there in the coin world, so was looking at this one, can anybody tell me more about it ?
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  3. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

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  6. Cherd

    Cherd Junior Member Supporter

    I can't tell you much about that specific coin, but I can tell you that it's technically not "Ancient". While way older than most collectors are accustomed to, this would be categorized as "Medieval" or maybe even "Modern". The cutoff for ancients is generally considered to be around the fall of the Western Roman Empire (~500 AD), although subsequent Byzantine and some others are still considered ancient by many.

    If you are into gold then there is a lot of variety to pick from in the realm of ancients. However, if you are concerned at all about metal content value comparing well with purchase cost, then that'll be difficult.
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  7. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    Thanks for the info, like I said my knowledge is a bit limited on the subject...LOL
    I do prefer PCGS over NGC holder wise as value seems to be a bit better I know
    that hold true on liberties and saints :)
  8. Cherd

    Cherd Junior Member Supporter

    You're welcome

    But, if you are after slabbed ancient coins then you'll have to learn to love NGC. They are pretty much the only name in that game.
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  9. Broucheion

    Broucheion Well-Known Member

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  10. robinjojo

    robinjojo Well-Known Member

    That's a beautiful ecu d'or! It was produced in 15th century France, a turbulent century for that realm, that included the French defeat by Henry V of England at Agincourt in 1415, followed by the French rising up and virtually expelling the English, under the leadership of Joan of Arc and Charles VII. That's a little history.

    If you want to get an ancient type coin, you might want to consider an Athenian tetradrachm. They are plentiful now (have been for a while actually) and are available in a range of grades to fit almost any budget. They are historically significant and often nicely executed.
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  11. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    That's only true of NGC... and then only with ancients. The TPGs do, as far as I know, guarantee authenticity on everything else.

    (And even NGC Ancients, though they do not offer a 100% guarantee on ancient coins, still offers an added layer of protection, since they will not knowingly slab anything which they consider to be of questionable authenticity, either.)

    Anyway, the coin posted here is neither NGC certified, nor ancient. It is medieval- and it's in PCGS plastic. I see no reason why the PCGS guarantee would not apply to it.
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  12. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    And yes, that is indeed a beautiful ecu d'or.
  13. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    Yes, to my knowledge it would apply here :)
  14. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    That's way sexier to my eyes than any Krugerrand or common-date $20 Lib or Saint.
  15. GinoLR

    GinoLR Well-Known Member

    Of course Joan of Arc is a History Superstar, like Alexander the Great or Christopher Columbus. But, if she played a crucial role in the French remontada of the 1420s, she was eventually captured and burnt at the stake, the Godons being still in control of large provinces of the kingdom... The ones who may be credited for eventually winning the 100 years war in 1453 are Jean and Gaspard Bureau, grand masters of the Royal Artillery. But I admit they are not as sexy as Joan of Arc.
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