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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;benveniste, post: 2525632, member: 25547&quot;]I will not discuss specifics of my own security measures nor anyone else&#039;s in a public forum.&nbsp; Apologies in advance.&nbsp; But here are a few brief comments.</p><ol> <li>It sounds like you&#039;ve already been a victim once. That increases the likelihood you&#039;ll be targeted in the future.&nbsp; Buying a new safe is, at best, only part of the solution.&nbsp; There&#039;s no shame in paying for professional expertise or even sitting down with someone in your police department to review what didn&#039;t work last time and to design a new layered solution.</li> <li>Part of that process is what I call &quot;paranoia vs. pocketbook&quot; trade-offs.&nbsp; The cost of comprehensive protection against &quot;professional thieves&quot; is quite high, both in terms of money and inconvenience.&nbsp; Not only are &quot;professional&quot; thieves quite rare, but in order to survive they have to do the same sort of risk-reward calculations.&nbsp; If a &quot;pro&quot; perceives you are a high-risk, low reward target they&#039;ll go elsewhere.</li> <li>I don&#039;t suggest storing your rifles with your coins for a number of reasons. First, I&#039;d worry about &quot;stuff&quot; coming off your guns such as oil and powder residue finding its way onto your coins.&nbsp; Second, for coins you typically want an inside physical layout that&#039;s more suited to jewelry or documents than guns. Third, the access requirements for coins are different than that for self-defense weapons, so you may wish to choose a different unlocking mechanism.&nbsp; Finally, for typical (non-professional) thieves in the U.S. firearms are a more appealing target than coins, so storing them separately gives a thief the incentive to quit while they are ahead.</li> <li>The vast majority of gun &quot;safes&quot; sold in the U.S. are designed to meet insurance company or legal requirements at a fairly low cost.&nbsp; That typically means meeting UL Residential Security Container (RSC) or California DOJ standard. Such a &quot;safe&quot; can be breached in ~5 minutes with battery operated power tools.&nbsp; For even a modest coin collection insurance companies will specify a higher rating, such as TL-15, when deciding how to write coverage. Off-the-shelf TL-15 gun safes do exist; <a href="http://hollonsafe.com/tl-15-gun-safe/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://hollonsafe.com/tl-15-gun-safe/" rel="nofollow">here&#039;s</a> one such example.&nbsp; But as noted above, it&#039;s not a great configuration for coin storage, and including delivery, setup, and installation costs you can expect to pay well north of $5000.&nbsp; The &quot;all-in&quot; costs for a TL-15 &quot;jewelry and document&quot; safe from the same company is in the $2000 range.</li> <li>Chances are you&#039;re not buying a safe to impress anyone.&nbsp; Changing requirement for business insurance and small business turnover makes for a surprisingly robust market in used safes, which can literally save you hundreds of dollars or even more.</li> </ol><p>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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