Looking Back

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Brian Bucklan, May 28, 2016.

  1. Brian Bucklan

    Brian Bucklan Well-Known Member

    Here’s a selection of different Leo lion type coins from my collection. I’m not sure why but the lion crouching left variety is always a cartoonish characterization of a lion while the others are more realistic. By far the toughest to find are the ones with the lion facing right.

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    One of the things I’ve noticed in animal portrayals on ancient coins (both Greek and Roman) is that many times they are shown “looking back”. I’ve always wondered if there is some reasoning for doing this. Anybody have any ideas?

    Please post any other ancients with animals in this “looking back” posture.

     
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  3. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I suspect the "looking back" pose was used to make the animal fit better on a round coin, allowing more of the animal's body to be on the coin without a lot of wasted space.
     
  4. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

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    Leo I
    Coin: Bronze AE4
    DN LEO PF AFG - Pearled diademed, draped, cuirassed bust right
    - Lion crouching left, head turned right, within wreath
    Mint: Constantinople (457-474 AD)
    Wt./Size/Axis: 1.43g / 11mm / -
    References:
    • RIC 674

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    Carthage, Zeugitana
    Coin: Bronze Shekel
    None - Wreathed head of Tanit left
    None - Horse standing right, looking left
    Mint: Carthage (215-201 BC)
    Wt./Size/Axis: 7.07g / 22mm / -
    Rarity: Scarce
    Acquisition/Sale: $0.00
    Notes: Dec 4, 13 - Ref: SNG Copenhagen 309-13
    CARTHAGE, SECOND PUNIC WAR
     
  5. Brian Bucklan

    Brian Bucklan Well-Known Member

    I actually had this exact thought as I was writing the post but I've also seen larger coins with the same pose. Maybe that's all it is.
     
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  6. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    vespasian JA photos b.jpg chersonesos a.jpg const comm b.jpg incuse bull.jpg Islands off Iberia Ebusus b.jpg new a.jpg bull butting b.jpg



    Yah, I usually hate lookin' back ... but these few examples make me smile


    Ummm, anybody got any good stories?
     
  7. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    A great collection of Leo lion nummi Brian!

    Hopefully you'll recognize this one. Its the first coin I ever bought from you. I still have it.

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  8. Brian Bucklan

    Brian Bucklan Well-Known Member

    Stevex6: All nice pieces. Very impressive. The VRBS ROMA type with the wolf looking back makes sense as he's obviously observing the twins. But as to the coin with the eagle looking back (and there are quite a few examples of these), you could certainly fit the design either way.

    VK: I certainly remember that coin. A good example.
     
  9. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    @Brian Bucklan, I just noticed your signature line. I love your webstore!! Not sure if I've ever followed through on a purchase but I've browsed it many times. One of these days I'll get something from you-- probably something from Roman Egypt or other Roman Provincial :)
     
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  10. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    ummm okay, how 'bout I replace it with this photo? ... judger tif watch it.jpg


    ;)


    just jokes (good times)
     
  11. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

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    Thrace, Chersonesos
    Coin: good VF Silver Hemidrachm
    None - Forepart of lion right, head left
    None - Quadripartite incuse square with alternating raised and sunken quarters; pellet and AΓ monogram in one sunken quarter, star in the other.
    Mint: Chersonesos (Circa 386-338 BC)
    Wt./Size/Axis: 2.41g / 13.5mm / -
    References:
    • McClean 4089–94 var. (symbol)
    • SNG Copenhagen 840 var. (letter).
    • Weber 2430
     
  12. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    The reverse of this coin under Macrinus was struck in Laodicea. BMC 97. Macr Remus      Bmc 97.jpg
     
  13. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Super posts!!!

    My only 'animal' looking back type---Carthage: Carthage 2.jpg
     
  14. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    I believe this bronze of Elagabalus is a fine example of looking-back animals. It has a ram on the reverse. The coin was struck in Antioch. BMC 446. SC. HeliogRam R 001.jpg HeliogR O 001.jpg
     
  15. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Nice collection, Brian.

    I just have the below.
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    Leo I (457 - 474 A.D.)
    20 views
    Æ4
    O: D N LEO P F AVG (or similar), pearl diademed, draped and cuirassed bust right.
    R. Lion crouching left, head turned back right, CON (Constantinople) in exergue.
    Constantinople (Istanbul, Turkey) mint
    .84g
    RIC X 674, LRBC 2260
     
  16. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Interesting thread, interesting coins. In some cases it's obvious that the look-back conserves space on the flan. In other cases, it just looks artistic. I have this little bronze of Selge, Pisidia with a back-facing stag. This pose looks emblematic to me - almost like a modern logo. It's a nice coin, but the most interesting feature is the obverse, with 3/4 facing bust of Herakles wreathed in styrax. Does anyone know if this rendition of Herakles occurred on coins of any other city?

    pisidia 6.jpg
     
  17. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Sybaris
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    Kroton
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    Eion - the lizard missed the memo about looking back but curved his tail to fit the space. g00670bb0435.jpg
    More of these Ptolemaic manhole covers show the eagle forward but my 46mm one has a look-back bird.
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  18. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Here's my Leo I/lion looking back:

    LeoLionO.JPG LeoLionR.JPG
    DN LEO PF AVG
    CON mintmark. 12 mm.
    RIC X 674, page 293, plate 26
    The lion looks to be smiling and friendly and almost playful.
     
  19. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Yeahhhh if that lion was real I would still not get anywhere near it....
     
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  20. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

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    Carthage Silver Shekel.
     
  21. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Well, I checked my pics gallery and have to say most animals on coins I have don't look back, although I don't have so many of them (maybe an unconscious selection on my part...)

    Some of them actually look back though

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    S. Pompeius Fostlus, Denarius Rome mint, 137 BC
    Helmeted head of Roma right, X below chin, jug behind head
    SEX PO [FOSTLVS] She wolf suckling Remus and Romulus, fig tree in background, the shepherd Faustulus behind. ROMA at exergue
    3,73 gr
    Ref : RCV # 112 var, RSC Pompeia # 1a, Crawford # 235/1c


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    Augustus, Denarius struck in Lyon c.12 BC
    AUGUSTUS DIVI F, Bare head of Augustus right
    IMP X, Bull butting right
    3.77 gr
    Ref : RCV #1610, Cohen #137

    Q

    PS : @Pishpash that Chersonese hemidrachm is just amazing
     
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