Little help, please

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  1. JBGood

    JBGood Collector of coinage Supporter

    Can anyone help ID this coin? The tag says Ptolemy III from an "uncertain mint in Corinth". 20mm, 5.73 gms.

    I can not find corroborating photos or references. Ptolemy II.JPG
     
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  3. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Svoronos 1000. The thing that looks like an earring must be a centration dimple with some surrounding corrosion.

    ptolemybronze.com is loading very slowly this morning so I can't check there, but here is the Wildwinds example:

    PtolemyIII-Sv1000-WW.jpg
    Copied from Wildwind's image description:

    5765
    Item Sold At Auction #27
    Lot Number: 62320
    Estimate: $150.00
    Final Sale Price: $110.00
    Denomination: 20mm
    Grade: VF black patina
    Reference: Svoronos 1000; SNG Copenhagen 193

    Egypt, Ptolemaic Kings. Ptolemy III. 246-221 BC. Æ 20mm (6.27 gm). Diademed bust
    right / Eagle standing left on thunderbolt; cornucopiae over shoulder. Svoronos 1000;
    SNG Copenhagen 193. VF, black patina. Rare portrait bronze of Ptolemy III. Estimate
    $150.

    Used by permission of CNG, www.historicalcoins.com

    ...

    Ah, ptolemybronze has finally loaded and here is their example:

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    20mm - 5.7gm
    Sv1000 (cornucopia at right)

    Additional info from PtolemyBronze:

    Ptolemy III - Royal Portrait Series 5
    This denomination series consists of only 4 coins, all with very similar appearance but differing in size/weight. The familiar Zeus Ammon obverse is replaced with a portrait of Ptolemy III wearing the aegis and the reverse is the usual style of Ptolemy III wearing a closed-wing eagle and the cornucopia reignal symbol. These are found in the area of Corinth and likely minted locally for use by Ptolemaic settlements there at that time. The largest size (Svoronos 997) is about 17gm and not shown here. The middle size has two variants (Svoronos 998 and 999) which have the cornucopia on opposing sides of the eagle. Svoronos 998 and 999 (the two middle sized types with cornucopiaea on opposites sides) are shown here. The smallest size is about 6gm and also not shown here. The appearance of a contemporary Ptolemaic ruler's portrait on a bronze coin is unusual and may be unique to this series. These two are likely denominated as tritartemorion (six chalkoi) on the post-260BC weight standard. The largest size would seem to be a tri-hemiobol (ca. 17.2gm) and the smallest a hemiobol (ca 5.7gm).


    Edited to add: I see nothing that suggests is was struck outside of Alexandria, but you might want to read the various articles on PtolemyBronze's landing page.
     
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  4. JBGood

    JBGood Collector of coinage Supporter

    I did think it an ear ring! As always, I am in awe of TIF! Thanks again.
     
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  5. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Nice work, TIF. I've really got to buckle down and study the Ptolemaics.
     
  6. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    As are we all!!
     
  7. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Aw shucks. You guys are going to give me a big ego :D

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  8. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Just don't get too big of a head.
    exploding head.jpg
     
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  9. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    that's an interesting obverse type for the Ptolemy coins.
     
  10. JBGood

    JBGood Collector of coinage Supporter

    Yeah, the odd, fat uncle look with a big ear ring threw me off. I assumed I had it mis-identified.
     
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