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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Seattlite86, post: 3612785, member: 59737&quot;]I’m sure I wouldn’t, as the (German) Holy Roman Empire ruled over Austria, Germany and Switzerland at that time. Also, the Teutonic Order in German is actually translated in English to the German Order. NGC even recognizes the Teutonic Order Talers as German States coinage. <a href="https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/german-states-teutonic-order-thaler-km-25-1613-cuid-1162467-duid-1390117" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/german-states-teutonic-order-thaler-km-25-1613-cuid-1162467-duid-1390117" rel="nofollow">https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/german-states-teutonic-order-thaler-km-25-1613-cuid-1162467-duid-1390117</a></p><p><br /></p><p>I think you’re taking the term German a little too literal as meaning Germany instead of Germanic.&nbsp; I don&#039;t take this same literal meaning and give a little leeway to allow for the fact that the Holy Roman Empire stretched across all these lands.&nbsp; Perhaps the more accurate term for the coinage would be &quot;Holy Roman Empire Coinage&quot;, but that is not an option in any of the World Catalogs.</p><p><br /></p><p>Besides, Basel has a Germanic background and it wasn’t until the 1800s that they started favoring the French lifestyle over the German. <a href="https://www.bs.ch/en/Portrait/cosmopolitan-basel/history.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.bs.ch/en/Portrait/cosmopolitan-basel/history.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.bs.ch/en/Portrait/cosmopolitan-basel/history.html</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Again, Basel may not be accurately included in the German states coinage, but it falls into the same era, under the same Germanic empire, and there are similarities with the designs of German states coins. Inclusion of Basel and Tyrol (Hall) in German states coinage is not borne out of my ignorance, but personal opinion based on my knowledge of the region&#039;s history and the German language. I would be happy to have the discussion with them in German, since residents of Basel, Hall and I all speak that language. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Also, since you asked the rhetorical question about World Catalogs, here&#039;s a snippet from the 1601-1700 catalog:</p><p>&quot;Although the origin of the German Empire can be traced to the Treaty of Verdun that ceded Charlemagne’s lands east of the Rhine to German Prince Louis, <i><b>it was for centuries little more than a geographic expression</b></i>, consisting of hundreds of effectively autonomous big and little states. <b><i>Nominally the states owed their allegiance to the Holy Roman Emperor, who was also a German king</i></b>, but as the Emperors exhibited less and less concern for Germany the actual power devolved on the lords of the individual states. The fragmentation of the empire climaxed with the tragic denouement of the Thirty Years War, 1618-48, which devastated much of Germany, destroyed its agriculture and medieval commercial eminence and ended the attempt of the Hapsburgs to unify Germany. Deprived of administrative capacity by a lack of resources, the imperial authority became utterly powerless.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>Here&#039;s a snippet from the same book talking about the Bishopric of Augsburg:</p><p>&quot;Founded in the late 9th century in the city of Augsburg, the bishopric eventually extended as far as the Bavarian frontier on the north and east, to <b><i>Tyrol </i></b>on the south and to Upper Swabia on the west.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>A snippet about the free city of Freiburg, Germany: &quot;Freiburg struck coins in accordance with the provisions of that <b><i>monetary union of South German and Swiss</i></b> entities.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>Anyway, what I think we are doing is really arguing opinions.&nbsp; I&#039;m fine with you saying the Basel coins don&#039;t belong in the German States coinage.&nbsp; The ones from Hall in Tyrol, however, unequivocally are German States coinage.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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