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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 3604592, member: 112"]Could be, but unless you can find references stating such there's really no way to know for sure. *see below</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>In what way ? What I mean is there's a couple of different ways to interpret your comment. Are you wondering if it's a thaler ? Answer to that is no. It's correct in detail for a 1589 Holland lion dollar - except the weight. </p><p><br /></p><p>Or, are you simply wondering if it's plated copper like the coin you linked ? Again, the answer is it could be. A specific gravity test would give you an indication but it really wouldn't be definitive. About the only way to know for sure would be a destructive test of one kind or another.</p><p><br /></p><p>I would comment further to say that out and out counterfeits during that time period in the Netherlands were certainly not unheard of, but they weren't exactly commonplace either. Penalties, even for minting debased coins, let alone counterfeits, were to say the least extremely severe. One of the more common punishments in the Netherlands was literally boiling the offender alive. Point being, not a whole lot of people did it.</p><p><br /></p><p>* I would also comment that the genuine 1589 Holland lion dollar was not exactly a low mintage coin but it wasn't a high mintage either. Between 1596-1591 Holland minted 321,528 lion dollars. The 2 years prior to that they only minted just inder 60,000 and the year after that just under 20,000. My point is, it's not really a scarce coin to the best of my knowledge so not particularly likely to be a counterfeit made to fool collectors. But, it certainly could be.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 3604592, member: 112"]Could be, but unless you can find references stating such there's really no way to know for sure. *see below In what way ? What I mean is there's a couple of different ways to interpret your comment. Are you wondering if it's a thaler ? Answer to that is no. It's correct in detail for a 1589 Holland lion dollar - except the weight. Or, are you simply wondering if it's plated copper like the coin you linked ? Again, the answer is it could be. A specific gravity test would give you an indication but it really wouldn't be definitive. About the only way to know for sure would be a destructive test of one kind or another. I would comment further to say that out and out counterfeits during that time period in the Netherlands were certainly not unheard of, but they weren't exactly commonplace either. Penalties, even for minting debased coins, let alone counterfeits, were to say the least extremely severe. One of the more common punishments in the Netherlands was literally boiling the offender alive. Point being, not a whole lot of people did it. * I would also comment that the genuine 1589 Holland lion dollar was not exactly a low mintage coin but it wasn't a high mintage either. Between 1596-1591 Holland minted 321,528 lion dollars. The 2 years prior to that they only minted just inder 60,000 and the year after that just under 20,000. My point is, it's not really a scarce coin to the best of my knowledge so not particularly likely to be a counterfeit made to fool collectors. But, it certainly could be.[/QUOTE]
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