Licinius II Follis--Antioch mint

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  1. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Coin show purchase today. Not uncommon but got it for a song and loved the patina on this little thing. Show off your Licinius II coins!

    Licinius II 317-324
    Roman AE Follis
    Antioch, AD 317-318
    17.55 mm; 3.36 gm
    Obv: DN VAL LICIN LICINIVS NOB C, Laureate bust l., holding mappa in r. hand and globe and scepter in l.
    Rev: IOVI CONSERVATORI CAESS, Jupiter standing l., holding victory on globe; resting on scepter; captive at l. H in r. field; SMANT in ex.
    RIC-29; Sear-15415 Licinius II.jpg
     
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Nice example. I like the captive on it.

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    Licinius II (317 - 324 A.D.)
    Æ3
    O: DN VAL LICIN LICINIVS NOB C, helmeted, cuirassed bust left holding spear and shield.
    R: IOVI CONS-ERVATORI, Jupiter standing left, chlamys across left shoulder, holding Victory on globe and eagle-tipped sceptre, eagle with wreath left, captive right. X over II Mu in right field. Mintmark SMHB.
    Heraclea Mint
    20mm
    3.3g
    RIC VII Heraclea 54
     
  4. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Nicely centered and with very legible legends. A beauty!
     
  5. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Wow, nice... The ebon-patina and the sand accent really give it a Black-and-Tan look!

    Mine does not have that cool look as yours does... It has more of that Dark Ages Monk look... :)

    RI Licinius II 317-324 CE Folles Jupiter w Eagle Antioch Obv-Rev.jpg
    RI Licinius II 317-324 CE Folles Jupiter w Eagle Antioch Obv-Rev.jpg
     
  6. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

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    Licinius II
    Coin: Bronze Follis
    D N VAL LICIN LICINIVS NOB C - Laureate consular bust left, holding globe & mappa
    PROVIDEN-TIAE CAESS - Campgate with 3 turrets
    Mint: Heraclea (317 - 324 AD)
    Wt./Size/Axis: 2.27g / 18mm / -
    References:
    • RIC VII Heraclea 31.
     
  7. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

  8. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    that is a fine lookin' patina roman collector!

    i have one licinius ii, but it's a pretty solid coin...black and tan patina!

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  9. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    It's really cute when the kids play dress-up...
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    Here's another one I like. Most probably an unofficial issue (misspelled obverse legend, slightly off style, and left-facing radiate bust not listed in RIC).
    upload_2016-10-30_15-33-11.jpeg
     
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  10. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    My most recent Licinius II coins

    Licinius II - AE3

    Obv:– VAL LICINIVS NOB CAES, Laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right
    Rev:– IOVI CONSERVATORI, Jupiter standing left, holding thunderbolt and sceptre, chlamys spread across both shoulders
    Minted in Arles (//T Star in Crescent A.)
    Reference:– RIC VII Arles 160 (R3)

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    Licinius II - AE3

    Obv:– LICINIVS IVN NOB CAES, Laureate head right
    Rev:– CAESARVM NOSTRORVM, VOT / I . S / . V .
    Minted in Siscia (//.DSIS.) A.D. 320
    Reference:– RIC VII Siscia 143 (R3)

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  11. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    Very nice! And lately these pile-on threads keep hitting guys I actually have! Here's another from my uncleared lot from 2000:

    01-R3-Licinius II-AE-FOL-01.jpg
    Imperial Rome
    Licinius II as Caesar, r. 317-324 A.D. (317-320 A.D.)
    Antioch Mint, AE Follis, 18.12mm x 3.0 grams
    Obv.: D N VAL LICIN LICINIVS NOB C, diademed bust left with mappa & scepter
    Rev.: IOVI CONS ERVATORI CAESS Jupiter standing, head left, with Victory, captive at feet, D to right. Mintmark SMANT

    The Jupiter holding Victory reminds me that I just had a discussion with this years' students about symbolism in Greek and Roman culture and how some of it is still used today - the example being Nike's wings utilized as the Nike shoe logo. They were blown away by that one. I always forget what a reaction I get from the kids from that...
     
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  12. monetarium

    monetarium Member

    Here is another example with the bonus of a double-struck with an unknown mintmark. I wonder if the guy hammering the coin had too much wine that day :bored: IMG_1761.JPG IMG_1762.JPG
     
  13. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    The undertype and overstrike are the same coin...caused by the hammer bouncing after the coin had shifted; so the mintmark is the same SMANT.
     
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  14. Curtis

    Curtis Well-Known Member

    Nice to see this post get another breath of life!

    Here's my favorite Licinius II --
    It overlaps my two favorite collections: "Barbarians & Captives" and "Object Biography" (Old Collections & Plate Coins).

    I just loved the detail on this captive on the reverse. Fantastic depiction of his headwear, beard, and trousers. I also loved the portrait of the juvenile Licinius jr. -- it reminds me of the porphyry Licinius at Cairo! (Even the surface toning! See below.)

    I'm still using the original photo from Victor's Imperial Coins on VCoins:
    Licinius II Ex-Dattari Victor Clark.jpg

    Ex Giovanni Dattari (1853/8-1928) Collection of Late Roman Bronze Coins. It was quite a thrill to find it illustrated on the Licinius II page of https://constantinethegreatcoins.com/

    Licinius II Ex Dattari Victor Clark Digital Plate Coin.png
    (since "digital plate coins" can change, I always save a screenshot & date, so I can also check Internet Archive later if necessary)


    Porphyry Licinius.jpg

    Left: The Porphypry Licinius at Cairo, depicting Licinius Sr.
    Right: Junior -- quite the resemblance!!
     
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  15. monetarium

    monetarium Member

    Those scary eyes!!
     
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  16. monetarium

    monetarium Member

    I wonder about the gamma letter on the left...
     
  17. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    the gamma is the workshop
     
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  18. philologus_1

    philologus_1 Supporter! Supporter

    My fave Licinius II . . .

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    Licinius II Caesar AD 317-324, AE Follis (21mm, 2.88 gram)
    Ticinum AD 319-20
    Obv.: LICINIVS IVN NOB C; Laur., dr. and cuir. bust r.
    Rev.: VIRTVS EXERCIT; in ex, TT; in l. field, “christogram”; Vexillum inscribed VOT/X, two captives std. on either side.
    Attrib.: RIC 120 (officina unattested). Drösser p. 18, fig. 6 (this coin).
    Ex Schulten 1988, lot 1172 and collection Wolfgang Drösser, published in W. Drösser, “Christus auf Münzen – in Zeichen, Worten und Bildern: Rom, Byzanz und Axum” (Brühl, Duitsland, 2011).

    The symbol in the reverse left field also appears on coins of Siscia and Aquileia of the same period. It resembles a Chi-Rho, and is identified as such in RIC, but the P seems more as a vertical stroke topped by a pellet. This could lead credence to it being an intentional Iota-Chi such as is known to exist on other ancient coinage. (An Iota-Chi consists of the "initials" for Jesus Christ in Greek.) Admittedly, this is an unprovable theory -- as is the theory of it being a Chi-Rho as RIC cites. It could also be a mere decoration, but the location of it would seem to denote some significance beyond decorative.
     
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  19. Orange Julius

    Orange Julius Well-Known Member

    Here’s another nice one from my collection, from Antioch. It has a nice little bearded captive too!
    LiciniusIIAntiochRICVII-29.JPG
    Licinius II Antioch RIC VII 29
     
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