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<p>[QUOTE="kirispupis, post: 7838933, member: 118780"]Bidder 1 had a max bid of at least 9000. Bidder 2 placed a bid of 8500. In most other auctions, Bidder 1 would have won the coin at 8500. However, Leu automatically bumped Bidder 1 up to the next increment, so he won the coin at 9000.</p><p><br /></p><p>In my case, the next highest bid was 1000, so I won the coin at 1100 (my max). Presumably if my max was 1000, then I would have won the coin at that price (unless the other bidder decided to raise to 1100).</p><p><br /></p><p>Between these two cases the bidding patterns differed. For the Magas coin, there was a last minute bid from a new bidder at 8500. In my case, a bidder kept raising his offer until he gave up.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here's another bidding pattern from a coin I won:</p><p><br /></p><p>Bidder 1 440 CHF 09-Aug-21 10:50:20</p><p>Bidder 2 420 CHF 14-Aug-21 15:48:17</p><p>Bidder 3 360 CHF 08-Aug-21 18:12:13</p><p>Bidder 1 320 CHF 30-Jul-21 00:26:06</p><p>Bidder 3 300 CHF 08-Aug-21 18:11:54</p><p>Bidder 3 260 CHF 08-Aug-21 18:11:46</p><p>Bidder 3 220 CHF 08-Aug-21 18:11:41</p><p>Bidder 3 180 CHF 08-Aug-21 18:11:31</p><p>Bidder 3 120 CHF 08-Aug-21 18:11:26</p><p>Bidder 3 80 CHF 08-Aug-21 18:11:21</p><p>Bidder 3 65 CHF 08-Aug-21 18:11:17</p><p>Bidder 3 55 CHF 08-Aug-21 18:11:13</p><p><br /></p><p>You can see I placed a max bid relatively early in the auction, because I was travelling to Italy and didn't know whether I could attend online. On August 8th, I was outbid. I decided I wanted the coin a bit more, so I logged in from Italy and increased my max to 460. Bidder 3, who had been incrementing his bids until he won, gave up. Thirteen seconds before the auction finished, a new bidder tried to snipe it at 420. This bumped me to 440, but I still won the coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here's one from a coin I <i>didn't</i> win.</p><p><br /></p><p>Bidder 1 600 CHF 14-Aug-21 13:00:59</p><p>Bidder 2 600 CHF 14-Aug-21 14:44:35</p><p>Bidder 3 420 CHF 14-Aug-21 09:20:01</p><p>Bidder 4 340 CHF 14-Aug-21 12:28:30</p><p>Bidder 4 300 CHF 14-Aug-21 12:27:52</p><p>Bidder 5 250 CHF 14-Aug-21 12:05:48</p><p>Bidder 6 200 CHF 14-Aug-21 08:10:54</p><p>Bidder 7 101 CHF 14-Aug-21 09:02:23</p><p>Me 90 CHF 30-Jul-21 00:25:28</p><p>Bidder 8 90 CHF 14-Aug-21 02:36:31</p><p>Bidder 9 60 CHF 24-Jul-21 05:09:35</p><p>Bidder 6 50 CHF 16-Jul-21 20:48:16</p><p><br /></p><p>In this case, my lowball bid was quickly overcome. About 1:45 hours before the listing ended, someone bid 600. With about a minute in the auction, someone else tried to snipe at 600. In this case, the winning bidder wasn't pushed since his max had been reached, and so Bidder 1 took it for 600.</p><p><br /></p><p>While it's definitely possible to create a random shilling algorithm to accomplish this, my feeling is that's not what's happening here. Instead, the policy of automatically bumping the winning bid gives that impression.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="kirispupis, post: 7838933, member: 118780"]Bidder 1 had a max bid of at least 9000. Bidder 2 placed a bid of 8500. In most other auctions, Bidder 1 would have won the coin at 8500. However, Leu automatically bumped Bidder 1 up to the next increment, so he won the coin at 9000. In my case, the next highest bid was 1000, so I won the coin at 1100 (my max). Presumably if my max was 1000, then I would have won the coin at that price (unless the other bidder decided to raise to 1100). Between these two cases the bidding patterns differed. For the Magas coin, there was a last minute bid from a new bidder at 8500. In my case, a bidder kept raising his offer until he gave up. Here's another bidding pattern from a coin I won: Bidder 1 440 CHF 09-Aug-21 10:50:20 Bidder 2 420 CHF 14-Aug-21 15:48:17 Bidder 3 360 CHF 08-Aug-21 18:12:13 Bidder 1 320 CHF 30-Jul-21 00:26:06 Bidder 3 300 CHF 08-Aug-21 18:11:54 Bidder 3 260 CHF 08-Aug-21 18:11:46 Bidder 3 220 CHF 08-Aug-21 18:11:41 Bidder 3 180 CHF 08-Aug-21 18:11:31 Bidder 3 120 CHF 08-Aug-21 18:11:26 Bidder 3 80 CHF 08-Aug-21 18:11:21 Bidder 3 65 CHF 08-Aug-21 18:11:17 Bidder 3 55 CHF 08-Aug-21 18:11:13 You can see I placed a max bid relatively early in the auction, because I was travelling to Italy and didn't know whether I could attend online. On August 8th, I was outbid. I decided I wanted the coin a bit more, so I logged in from Italy and increased my max to 460. Bidder 3, who had been incrementing his bids until he won, gave up. Thirteen seconds before the auction finished, a new bidder tried to snipe it at 420. This bumped me to 440, but I still won the coin. Here's one from a coin I [I]didn't[/I] win. Bidder 1 600 CHF 14-Aug-21 13:00:59 Bidder 2 600 CHF 14-Aug-21 14:44:35 Bidder 3 420 CHF 14-Aug-21 09:20:01 Bidder 4 340 CHF 14-Aug-21 12:28:30 Bidder 4 300 CHF 14-Aug-21 12:27:52 Bidder 5 250 CHF 14-Aug-21 12:05:48 Bidder 6 200 CHF 14-Aug-21 08:10:54 Bidder 7 101 CHF 14-Aug-21 09:02:23 Me 90 CHF 30-Jul-21 00:25:28 Bidder 8 90 CHF 14-Aug-21 02:36:31 Bidder 9 60 CHF 24-Jul-21 05:09:35 Bidder 6 50 CHF 16-Jul-21 20:48:16 In this case, my lowball bid was quickly overcome. About 1:45 hours before the listing ended, someone bid 600. With about a minute in the auction, someone else tried to snipe at 600. In this case, the winning bidder wasn't pushed since his max had been reached, and so Bidder 1 took it for 600. While it's definitely possible to create a random shilling algorithm to accomplish this, my feeling is that's not what's happening here. Instead, the policy of automatically bumping the winning bid gives that impression.[/QUOTE]
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