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<p>[QUOTE="gbroke, post: 1652104, member: 22585"]Here's the deal.</p><p>I have this 1923-D peace dollar. In hand, this thing is booming luster and appears to be MS.</p><p><br /></p><p>Then I took some images of it, and notice something very disturbing.</p><p> It appears to have some series polishing lines.</p><p>Of course, I figured it took a terribly abrasive cleaning. </p><p><br /></p><p>But what I keep coming back to is how the coin looks in hand. The luster is nothing like any harshly cleaned coin I have seen in hand. It doesn't have that "shiny" look and is full of luster. I can't see any of these lines in hand. However, I do see a "cloudiness" where some of the lines are present. </p><p><br /></p><p><font size="3"><b>So my question is:</b></font></p><p>Is there any possibility at all that these are actually from an extremely polished die?</p><p><br /></p><p>I found plenty of examples of serious die polish lines on Morgans. </p><p>However, on all of the examples I found, the die polish lines are in the fields only and not on the devices.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>From vam world:</b></p><p><a href="http://www.vamworld.com/1921-S+VAM-1I" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.vamworld.com/1921-S+VAM-1I" rel="nofollow">view page here </a></p><p>"In the photo below, you can see why the polishing lines are sometimes confused as scratches from</p><p>the abrasive cleaning of a coin."</p><p><img src="http://www.vamworld.com/file/view/1921SVAM1iplines1.jpg/30122333/1921SVAM1iplines1.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>"As you can see in the photos below, the polishing lines in the fields of this VAM1i are raised above the surface of the coin. They run up to, but not over, the raised features of the coin."</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://www.vamworld.com/file/view/1921-S-1D-jbc-rev4.jpg/60164564/1921-S-1D-jbc-rev4.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="http://www.vamworld.com/file/view/1921-S_VAM-1_I_Polished_Obv.jpg/30428435/1921-S_VAM-1_I_Polished_Obv.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /><img src="http://www.vamworld.com/file/view/21SVAM1iLines.jpg/30122328/401x300/21SVAM1iLines.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><font size="3"><b>My Peace Dollar:</b></font></p><p>I used various lighting techniques and intensity to try and give you a better idea.</p><p>Again, although very noticeable in these images, <b>that is not the case</b> when looking at the coin in hand.</p><p>It looks like any other MS peace dollar with nice luster, in hand.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://cdn4.sharemyco.in/shared_7bac7b9d46a9f105e35f4f70e7c5e05e26512f03c9e4a32.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="http://cdn4.sharemyco.in/shared_7bac7b9d46a9f105e35f4f70e7c5e05e26512f03c9e4a32.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="http://cdn4.sharemyco.in/shared_1038900057adb967cbf06003f94cde63c64512f03d151073.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="http://cdn6.sharemyco.in/shared_4e6590d247ecf7fcc0c17c8154465c02c2512f03ed2ed5a.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="http://cdn4.sharemyco.in/shared_24cfa28b6cf217a5d75ad21a576aaadbe1512f03a47c041.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>The scratches do not appear to go over the devices.</p><p>However, the devices themselves have some areas with the lines, but they are always contained within the devices and do not continue onto the fields.</p><p><img src="http://cdn1.sharemyco.in/shared_325c6f2b5b1879795f18133729a4fd9f26512f03ab2b6ac.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="http://cdn5.sharemyco.in/shared_5a128e9a5c099d07363502df7f825edcb9512f03aca350f.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>It also has this die crack, which i could not find listed in the VAM's for this year/mm. </b></p><p><b>Which I will name the fish hook VAM.</b></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://cdn5.sharemyco.in/shared_1e6590d247ecf7fcc0c17c8154465c02c8512f03edb102a.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="http://cdn4.sharemyco.in/shared_53654ea6469145e20d5b6de5afbad37472512f03a3b2b56.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><font size="3"><b>What do you think?</b></font></p><p>Backup your answer with some reasons why you think that way please.</p><p>I would really like to hear from those folks who are fairly knowledgeable on the topic of die polishing.</p><p>Are the devices never polished? </p><p>Do they polish in certain patterns on the fields?</p><p><br /></p><p>I really don't care if this coin is harshly cleaned or has awesome die polish lines. </p><p>I would really prefer to know how to determine the difference in general.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>-g[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="gbroke, post: 1652104, member: 22585"]Here's the deal. I have this 1923-D peace dollar. In hand, this thing is booming luster and appears to be MS. Then I took some images of it, and notice something very disturbing. It appears to have some series polishing lines. Of course, I figured it took a terribly abrasive cleaning. But what I keep coming back to is how the coin looks in hand. The luster is nothing like any harshly cleaned coin I have seen in hand. It doesn't have that "shiny" look and is full of luster. I can't see any of these lines in hand. However, I do see a "cloudiness" where some of the lines are present. [SIZE=3][B]So my question is:[/B][/SIZE] Is there any possibility at all that these are actually from an extremely polished die? I found plenty of examples of serious die polish lines on Morgans. However, on all of the examples I found, the die polish lines are in the fields only and not on the devices. [B]From vam world:[/B] [URL="http://www.vamworld.com/1921-S+VAM-1I"]view page here [/URL] "In the photo below, you can see why the polishing lines are sometimes confused as scratches from the abrasive cleaning of a coin." [IMG]http://www.vamworld.com/file/view/1921SVAM1iplines1.jpg/30122333/1921SVAM1iplines1.jpg[/IMG] "As you can see in the photos below, the polishing lines in the fields of this VAM1i are raised above the surface of the coin. They run up to, but not over, the raised features of the coin." [IMG]http://www.vamworld.com/file/view/1921-S-1D-jbc-rev4.jpg/60164564/1921-S-1D-jbc-rev4.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.vamworld.com/file/view/1921-S_VAM-1_I_Polished_Obv.jpg/30428435/1921-S_VAM-1_I_Polished_Obv.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://www.vamworld.com/file/view/21SVAM1iLines.jpg/30122328/401x300/21SVAM1iLines.jpg[/IMG] [SIZE=3][B]My Peace Dollar:[/B][/SIZE] I used various lighting techniques and intensity to try and give you a better idea. Again, although very noticeable in these images, [B]that is not the case[/B] when looking at the coin in hand. It looks like any other MS peace dollar with nice luster, in hand. [IMG]http://cdn4.sharemyco.in/shared_7bac7b9d46a9f105e35f4f70e7c5e05e26512f03c9e4a32.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://cdn4.sharemyco.in/shared_7bac7b9d46a9f105e35f4f70e7c5e05e26512f03c9e4a32.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://cdn4.sharemyco.in/shared_1038900057adb967cbf06003f94cde63c64512f03d151073.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://cdn6.sharemyco.in/shared_4e6590d247ecf7fcc0c17c8154465c02c2512f03ed2ed5a.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://cdn4.sharemyco.in/shared_24cfa28b6cf217a5d75ad21a576aaadbe1512f03a47c041.jpg[/IMG] The scratches do not appear to go over the devices. However, the devices themselves have some areas with the lines, but they are always contained within the devices and do not continue onto the fields. [IMG]http://cdn1.sharemyco.in/shared_325c6f2b5b1879795f18133729a4fd9f26512f03ab2b6ac.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://cdn5.sharemyco.in/shared_5a128e9a5c099d07363502df7f825edcb9512f03aca350f.jpg[/IMG] [B]It also has this die crack, which i could not find listed in the VAM's for this year/mm. Which I will name the fish hook VAM.[/B] [IMG]http://cdn5.sharemyco.in/shared_1e6590d247ecf7fcc0c17c8154465c02c8512f03edb102a.jpg [/IMG] [IMG]http://cdn4.sharemyco.in/shared_53654ea6469145e20d5b6de5afbad37472512f03a3b2b56.jpg[/IMG] [SIZE=3][B]What do you think?[/B][/SIZE] Backup your answer with some reasons why you think that way please. I would really like to hear from those folks who are fairly knowledgeable on the topic of die polishing. Are the devices never polished? Do they polish in certain patterns on the fields? I really don't care if this coin is harshly cleaned or has awesome die polish lines. I would really prefer to know how to determine the difference in general. -g[/QUOTE]
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