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<p>[QUOTE="Publius2, post: 8044106, member: 105571"]Here's a common definition of the verb:</p><p><br /></p><p>"score or mark the surface of (something) with a sharp or pointed object."</p><p><br /></p><p>Of course, all the terms in this definition are vague. What is sharp? It's all relational. A cat's claw is sharp but not with respect to a bee's stinger. What makes something pointed? All it has to be is somewhat conical in shape with the angle of the tip tending more towards 5 degrees than 80 degrees.</p><p><br /></p><p>But we, in a very general sense, agree that a scratch must be considerably longer than it is wide. Call it the L/W ratio. It also should be relatively shallow. Call this the length/depth (L/D) ratio. If not shallow, then we use the term "gouge" to differentiate from "scratch", although the term gouge includes indentations that don't always follow the "longer than wider" dictum.</p><p><br /></p><p>So, a scratch should have a large L/W ratio and a large L/D ratio. Would it be a scratch if the L/W ratio were 2? i.e. the length were only two times the width? Most of us would agree that would not constitute a scratch. </p><p><br /></p><p>How about L/W=20. Let's put some actual numbers to that: If the width of a mark on a coin were 1/64" (0.0156") then a L/W of 20 would give a scratch length of 0.3125" (5/16"). That's not what most of us would think of as much of a scratch although it would certainly be very visible and maybe many of us might think of it rather as a gouge.</p><p><br /></p><p>An L/W of 100 with a width of 1/128" (0.0078") yields a length of 0.7813". Now this is recognizably a scratch over which few would disagree.</p><p><br /></p><p>So, a scratch is geometrically characterized by its length divided by width ratio as something in the neighborhood of 50 to 60. The actual number is highly debatable as is this entire exercise, but let's not let that stop us.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now to depth. I think most people would agree that the nature of a scratch is to not be deep, whatever that means since the terms are relational. For example, the Grand Canyon is merely a scratch on the earth's surface in that it is long when compared to its width and it is shallow when compared to its length. So what is a proper L/D ratio? Let's take our previous example with a L/W of 100 with a width of 0.0078" and a corresponding length of 0.7813". For this scratch to be a scratch, it needs to be shallow in relation to its length so the L/D ratio needs to be large. How large? If the depth were equal to the width in this example, 0.0078", then the ratio L/W would be 100. It's almost looking like the geometric definition of a scratch is a mark that meets L/D and L/W ratios somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 to 100.</p><p><br /></p><p>Let's take a slightly different tack based upon what's been developed so far. How wide does a mark have to be before the unaided 20/20 human eye can even detect it? Well, a quick search on the net tells me that number is about 10 microns or 0.00039". So, if a "scratch" narrower than 0.0004" is not detectable to the unaided human eye, then is it even a scratch? I say no so let's proceed from there. W=0.0004". For a L/W of 50, the scratch length would be 0.02", not much of a scratch at all. For L/W of 100, the length would be 0.04", certainly detectable but we might not call it a scratch but some other kind of a mark. These kinds of extremely narrow scratches are probably more in the category of what numismatists call "hairlines" which are a special category of scratches and not what I think Insider is getting at.</p><p><br /></p><p>We could also take a look at the length of the mark in relation to the diameter of the coin. Again, a dimensionless ratio might work in this regard.</p><p><br /></p><p>We could work this further looking at the W/D ratio to see if that made any sense but you should have a sense of what I'm getting at here - is there a dimensionless ratio or ratios that more or less captures what we all generally agree constitutes a scratch? </p><p><br /></p><p>Of course, we can add non-numerical descriptors to further tighten the definition such as "displaced metal to one or more sides of the scratch and/or at the beginning and end of the scratch."</p><p><br /></p><p>And finally, congratulations to anyone who's had the stamina to wade through all this late-night rambling.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Publius2, post: 8044106, member: 105571"]Here's a common definition of the verb: "score or mark the surface of (something) with a sharp or pointed object." Of course, all the terms in this definition are vague. What is sharp? It's all relational. A cat's claw is sharp but not with respect to a bee's stinger. What makes something pointed? All it has to be is somewhat conical in shape with the angle of the tip tending more towards 5 degrees than 80 degrees. But we, in a very general sense, agree that a scratch must be considerably longer than it is wide. Call it the L/W ratio. It also should be relatively shallow. Call this the length/depth (L/D) ratio. If not shallow, then we use the term "gouge" to differentiate from "scratch", although the term gouge includes indentations that don't always follow the "longer than wider" dictum. So, a scratch should have a large L/W ratio and a large L/D ratio. Would it be a scratch if the L/W ratio were 2? i.e. the length were only two times the width? Most of us would agree that would not constitute a scratch. How about L/W=20. Let's put some actual numbers to that: If the width of a mark on a coin were 1/64" (0.0156") then a L/W of 20 would give a scratch length of 0.3125" (5/16"). That's not what most of us would think of as much of a scratch although it would certainly be very visible and maybe many of us might think of it rather as a gouge. An L/W of 100 with a width of 1/128" (0.0078") yields a length of 0.7813". Now this is recognizably a scratch over which few would disagree. So, a scratch is geometrically characterized by its length divided by width ratio as something in the neighborhood of 50 to 60. The actual number is highly debatable as is this entire exercise, but let's not let that stop us. Now to depth. I think most people would agree that the nature of a scratch is to not be deep, whatever that means since the terms are relational. For example, the Grand Canyon is merely a scratch on the earth's surface in that it is long when compared to its width and it is shallow when compared to its length. So what is a proper L/D ratio? Let's take our previous example with a L/W of 100 with a width of 0.0078" and a corresponding length of 0.7813". For this scratch to be a scratch, it needs to be shallow in relation to its length so the L/D ratio needs to be large. How large? If the depth were equal to the width in this example, 0.0078", then the ratio L/W would be 100. It's almost looking like the geometric definition of a scratch is a mark that meets L/D and L/W ratios somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 to 100. Let's take a slightly different tack based upon what's been developed so far. How wide does a mark have to be before the unaided 20/20 human eye can even detect it? Well, a quick search on the net tells me that number is about 10 microns or 0.00039". So, if a "scratch" narrower than 0.0004" is not detectable to the unaided human eye, then is it even a scratch? I say no so let's proceed from there. W=0.0004". For a L/W of 50, the scratch length would be 0.02", not much of a scratch at all. For L/W of 100, the length would be 0.04", certainly detectable but we might not call it a scratch but some other kind of a mark. These kinds of extremely narrow scratches are probably more in the category of what numismatists call "hairlines" which are a special category of scratches and not what I think Insider is getting at. We could also take a look at the length of the mark in relation to the diameter of the coin. Again, a dimensionless ratio might work in this regard. We could work this further looking at the W/D ratio to see if that made any sense but you should have a sense of what I'm getting at here - is there a dimensionless ratio or ratios that more or less captures what we all generally agree constitutes a scratch? Of course, we can add non-numerical descriptors to further tighten the definition such as "displaced metal to one or more sides of the scratch and/or at the beginning and end of the scratch." And finally, congratulations to anyone who's had the stamina to wade through all this late-night rambling.[/QUOTE]
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