Log in or Sign up
Coin Talk
Home
Forums
>
Coin Forums
>
Coin Chat
>
Let's see your exonumia!
>
Reply to Thread
Message:
<p>[QUOTE="lordmarcovan, post: 2583426, member: 10461"]<b>"The Sailmaker's Badge": WW1 Royal Flying Corps identity disc made from 1916 British half crown</b></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><img src="http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k173/lordmarcovan/APerryLT-006995-coin.png" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><a href="http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k173/lordmarcovan/APerryLT-006995-obv.png" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k173/lordmarcovan/APerryLT-006995-obv.png" rel="nofollow">Larger obverse picture</a></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><a href="http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k173/lordmarcovan/APerryLT-006995-rev.png" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k173/lordmarcovan/APerryLT-006995-rev.png" rel="nofollow">Larger reverse picture</a></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><b>Host coin:</b> 1916 Great Britain half crown, <a href="https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/great-britain-12-crown-km-8181-1911-1919-cuid-42764-duid-123281" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/great-britain-12-crown-km-8181-1911-1919-cuid-42764-duid-123281" rel="nofollow">KM818.1</a>.</font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><b>Obverse:</b> planed off and engraved "2ND A.M. / ARTHUR PERRY. / 33274 /R.F.C.". </font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><b>Reverse:</b> Original coat of arms design, unaltered.</font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia">Ex- "acsb-rich", eBay, 11/25/2015.</font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia">A historically interesting subset within the collecting of engraved coins are the pieces that were made into identity discs ("dog tags") during the First World War, which fall under the more general category called "trench art". Often these World War I pieces were made with French silver 1- and 2-franc coins as hosts, but this example was engraved on a larger British silver coin- a 1916 half crown. Furthermore, the serviceman, 2nd Air Mechanic Arthur Perry, #33274, served with the Royal Flying Corps, the forerunner of the Royal Air Force. So this piece has a somewhat less common host coin and an early aviation provenance, which is great.</font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Flying_Corps" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Flying_Corps" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia link: Royal Flying Corps</a></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia">I am an enthusiast of "love tokens" and pieces like this because one can wistfully say, "ah, if this could only talk". Some of these engraved coins actually <i>do</i> talk- or at least whisper- little bits of their history.</font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia">What do we know of 2nd Air Mechanic Arthur Perry? Only a few things. He was born in London, Middlesex, England, in 1883, so he would have been about 33 years old when the coin above was minted, and no older than 35 when the engraving was done. (We can date the engraving to between 1916- the host coin's date- and 1918- when the RFC was absorbed into the RAF.) Arthur Perry married a woman named Edith in 1914 and his RFC appointment was as a sailmaker, so he would have worked on repairing the fabric that covered the aircraft of the time.</font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia">Below is a period photograph a Royal Flying Corps repair shop, from the Imperial War Museum collection. I tried finding a picture of an RFC sailmaker at work, but most of the pictures I saw of fabric-on-frame work being done was from the factories, with largely women workers. I saw some references to one IWM photo collection that sounded interesting, but it isn't online. Interestingly- but probably only coincidentally due to the spelling variance- that collection was under the name "PARRY, ARTHUR".</font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><img src="http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k173/lordmarcovan/RFC-repair%20shop.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia">Thanks to [USER=82194]@dadams[/USER] for helping to refine and focus the research on this piece.</font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia">This was part of <a href="https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/953536/lord-marcovans-oddball-type-set" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/953536/lord-marcovans-oddball-type-set" rel="nofollow">my last exonumia collection</a>, which I recently sold to feed my primary "Box of 20" set. However, I am going to continue the exonumia collection in a slightly different way- I intend to collect holed love tokens and engraved pieces, and put them on my "Holey Coin Hat". (Which used to be the <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/my-holey-coin-vest-and-holey-gold-hat.286762/#post-2573658" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/my-holey-coin-vest-and-holey-gold-hat.286762/#post-2573658">Holey Gold Hat</a> in bygone days, but I stripped it of its gold during the recession.)</font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia">As such, I have kept this piece even after selling several other nice ones.</font></p><p><font face="Georgia"></font>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="lordmarcovan, post: 2583426, member: 10461"][B]"The Sailmaker's Badge": WW1 Royal Flying Corps identity disc made from 1916 British half crown[/B] [FONT=Georgia] [IMG]http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k173/lordmarcovan/APerryLT-006995-coin.png[/IMG] [URL='http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k173/lordmarcovan/APerryLT-006995-obv.png']Larger obverse picture[/URL] [URL='http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k173/lordmarcovan/APerryLT-006995-rev.png']Larger reverse picture[/URL] [B]Host coin:[/B] 1916 Great Britain half crown, [URL='https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/great-britain-12-crown-km-8181-1911-1919-cuid-42764-duid-123281']KM818.1[/URL]. [B]Obverse:[/B] planed off and engraved "2ND A.M. / ARTHUR PERRY. / 33274 /R.F.C.". [B]Reverse:[/B] Original coat of arms design, unaltered. Ex- "acsb-rich", eBay, 11/25/2015. A historically interesting subset within the collecting of engraved coins are the pieces that were made into identity discs ("dog tags") during the First World War, which fall under the more general category called "trench art". Often these World War I pieces were made with French silver 1- and 2-franc coins as hosts, but this example was engraved on a larger British silver coin- a 1916 half crown. Furthermore, the serviceman, 2nd Air Mechanic Arthur Perry, #33274, served with the Royal Flying Corps, the forerunner of the Royal Air Force. So this piece has a somewhat less common host coin and an early aviation provenance, which is great. [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Flying_Corps']Wikipedia link: Royal Flying Corps[/URL] I am an enthusiast of "love tokens" and pieces like this because one can wistfully say, "ah, if this could only talk". Some of these engraved coins actually [I]do[/I] talk- or at least whisper- little bits of their history. What do we know of 2nd Air Mechanic Arthur Perry? Only a few things. He was born in London, Middlesex, England, in 1883, so he would have been about 33 years old when the coin above was minted, and no older than 35 when the engraving was done. (We can date the engraving to between 1916- the host coin's date- and 1918- when the RFC was absorbed into the RAF.) Arthur Perry married a woman named Edith in 1914 and his RFC appointment was as a sailmaker, so he would have worked on repairing the fabric that covered the aircraft of the time. Below is a period photograph a Royal Flying Corps repair shop, from the Imperial War Museum collection. I tried finding a picture of an RFC sailmaker at work, but most of the pictures I saw of fabric-on-frame work being done was from the factories, with largely women workers. I saw some references to one IWM photo collection that sounded interesting, but it isn't online. Interestingly- but probably only coincidentally due to the spelling variance- that collection was under the name "PARRY, ARTHUR". [IMG]http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k173/lordmarcovan/RFC-repair%20shop.jpg[/IMG] Thanks to [USER=82194]@dadams[/USER] for helping to refine and focus the research on this piece. This was part of [URL='https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/953536/lord-marcovans-oddball-type-set']my last exonumia collection[/URL], which I recently sold to feed my primary "Box of 20" set. However, I am going to continue the exonumia collection in a slightly different way- I intend to collect holed love tokens and engraved pieces, and put them on my "Holey Coin Hat". (Which used to be the [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/threads/my-holey-coin-vest-and-holey-gold-hat.286762/#post-2573658']Holey Gold Hat[/URL] in bygone days, but I stripped it of its gold during the recession.) As such, I have kept this piece even after selling several other nice ones. [/FONT][/QUOTE]
Your name or email address:
Do you already have an account?
No, create an account now.
Yes, my password is:
Forgot your password?
Stay logged in
Coin Talk
Home
Forums
>
Coin Forums
>
Coin Chat
>
Let's see your exonumia!
>
Home
Home
Quick Links
Search Forums
Recent Activity
Recent Posts
Forums
Forums
Quick Links
Search Forums
Recent Posts
Competitions
Competitions
Quick Links
Competition Index
Rules, Terms & Conditions
Gallery
Gallery
Quick Links
Search Media
New Media
Showcase
Showcase
Quick Links
Search Items
Most Active Members
New Items
Directory
Directory
Quick Links
Directory Home
New Listings
Members
Members
Quick Links
Notable Members
Current Visitors
Recent Activity
New Profile Posts
Sponsors
Menu
Search
Search titles only
Posted by Member:
Separate names with a comma.
Newer Than:
Search this thread only
Search this forum only
Display results as threads
Useful Searches
Recent Posts
More...
