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<p>[QUOTE="Larry Moran, post: 1194617, member: 4580"]Thanks, farthing...</p><p><br /></p><p>I believe that perhaps none of the 274 variety were holed but were struck strictly for sale to collectors, </p><p>by Burchell the goldsmith and jeweler, but I would think also in coin dealer's shops in various locations.</p><p><br /></p><p>Perhaps an important issue is that medals were never made illegal and its edge inscription states that it is a medal,</p><p>(not intended for circulation, or to be considered as money). I'm sure many knew the difference between tokens and medals, probably more than today.</p><p><br /></p><p>You could be right about the date, it's hard to tell exactly because Basli Burchell sold his products from 1744 well into the 1800's.</p><p>Because of the edge, your supposition that it was struck in later years seems reasonable since its legal status needed to be clarified by the lettering.</p><p><br /></p><p>But Bill and I think probably circa 1795 is a reasonable estimate. but possibly 1800 or a bit later is also possible.</p><p>By 1790 Burchell had also become a jeweler and goldsmith.</p><p>He was probably a coin collector, too. I wouldn't put it past him. LOL</p><p><br /></p><p>I believe that for many collectors, tokens or medals for their businesses came long after their first contact as collectors.</p><p>Who else would have such appreciation for the medium?</p><p><br /></p><p>The varieties that were holed were for tying on cords on bags of sugar plums or suspending on a peony root necklace.</p><p><br /></p><p>Burchell was always battling counterfeiters of his products but he held the patent and apparently the best reputation. </p><p>Only two stores, his Anodyne store with a logo sign and one other sold his products in London. </p><p>The other store was at first Bowens, which later became Mrs. Randall's.</p><p><br /></p><p>Since I don't know the exact date (perhaps you do) that Conder Tokens were declared null, I try to collect between 1787-1796,</p><p>staying in earlier dates than when the cartwheel pennies and tuppence were struck by Boulton as official regal coinage.</p><p><br /></p><p>So this medal could be from a later date, but I don't mind so much because I know that similar pieces had to have circulated,</p><p>based on their intrinsic value and similarity to other Conder Tokens listed in D&H. And I like the story behind this issue.</p><p><br /></p><p>.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Larry Moran, post: 1194617, member: 4580"]Thanks, farthing... I believe that perhaps none of the 274 variety were holed but were struck strictly for sale to collectors, by Burchell the goldsmith and jeweler, but I would think also in coin dealer's shops in various locations. Perhaps an important issue is that medals were never made illegal and its edge inscription states that it is a medal, (not intended for circulation, or to be considered as money). I'm sure many knew the difference between tokens and medals, probably more than today. You could be right about the date, it's hard to tell exactly because Basli Burchell sold his products from 1744 well into the 1800's. Because of the edge, your supposition that it was struck in later years seems reasonable since its legal status needed to be clarified by the lettering. But Bill and I think probably circa 1795 is a reasonable estimate. but possibly 1800 or a bit later is also possible. By 1790 Burchell had also become a jeweler and goldsmith. He was probably a coin collector, too. I wouldn't put it past him. LOL I believe that for many collectors, tokens or medals for their businesses came long after their first contact as collectors. Who else would have such appreciation for the medium? The varieties that were holed were for tying on cords on bags of sugar plums or suspending on a peony root necklace. Burchell was always battling counterfeiters of his products but he held the patent and apparently the best reputation. Only two stores, his Anodyne store with a logo sign and one other sold his products in London. The other store was at first Bowens, which later became Mrs. Randall's. Since I don't know the exact date (perhaps you do) that Conder Tokens were declared null, I try to collect between 1787-1796, staying in earlier dates than when the cartwheel pennies and tuppence were struck by Boulton as official regal coinage. So this medal could be from a later date, but I don't mind so much because I know that similar pieces had to have circulated, based on their intrinsic value and similarity to other Conder Tokens listed in D&H. And I like the story behind this issue. .[/QUOTE]
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