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<p>[QUOTE="Larry Moran, post: 1097173, member: 4580"]Yes, yes, yes. : )</p><p><br /></p><p>Thanks, yarm. I have the CD but had not looked at his 1042. Wow.</p><p>I know Dr. Gary Sriro has tracked the sale of virtually every Conder sold over the internet for the past 12 years or more.</p><p>Admittedly, my copy is a few years old and he has an updated version which may show more than 9 examples sold.</p><p><br /></p><p>As far as condition, I was amazed to find the stag in such great shape, though certainly not as pristine as my 1041.</p><p>The reverse shows me that there was some flatness in areas of the reverse die, so wear is less on mine than </p><p>I previously thought but I suspected some weakness and thought it was strike, but now believe it rests more in the die state.</p><p>I believe the strike was quite similar on his example and mine.</p><p><br /></p><p>Evidence of rusted areas (about 6) in the field of the obverse die appears on both examples.</p><p><br /></p><p>This is not to say there is no wear present on my 1042, there certainly is some, but it seems lighter than before, a good thing. : )</p><p><br /></p><p>I also notice that my example of 1042 (rated Scarce) was struck on a larger planchet/flan than the Sriro example. </p><p>Obverse dentils are cleared by fields on 85-90% of the circumference on mine.</p><p><br /></p><p>I have another, similar token with Britannia in similar condition, and it is very AU-ish, with a good deal of mint red.</p><p>Considering condition rarity, mine may be much better than I thought at first. Thanks, Bob. This is fun! : )</p><p><br /></p><p>BTW, the lettered edge on mine reads...</p><p><br /></p><p><b>PAYABLE IN LONDON</b> (remainder engrailed) <b>{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{</b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><br /></p><p>Now I see the advantage of buying a token from the Collection of <b>Robbie Brown, Jr.</b></p><p>Instead of getting worse in my mind, this token is getting better.</p><p>I have been studying my own photos of the piece for a few day now, </p><p>so I pulled the 1042 out this morning and observed it without magnification.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here's what I now see...</p><p><br /></p><p>The token is entirely prooflike with beautiful toning developing, red, blue, green, copper.</p><p>Edges of lettering and devices show that nice red margin so common to proofs and prooflike issues.</p><p>With the naked eye, I see the slightest wear on a few high points, almost like rub, or cabinet wear.</p><p>It's very, very nice. I'll now estimate the grade for this token at AU-50 here, or EF in the U.K.</p><p>Could this be the Finest Known, or nearly so? Wow.</p><p><br /></p><p>-----------------</p><p><br /></p><p>This is a good example of how collaboration can help, and how additional reference resources can help.</p><p>I only received this token a few days ago. I've already learned a lot about it.</p><p>I bought it because of the provenance and the fact I could see in seller's photos that the stag was clearly better than VF,</p><p>comparing quite favorably to my UNC stag on the 1041.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Larry Moran, post: 1097173, member: 4580"]Yes, yes, yes. : ) Thanks, yarm. I have the CD but had not looked at his 1042. Wow. I know Dr. Gary Sriro has tracked the sale of virtually every Conder sold over the internet for the past 12 years or more. Admittedly, my copy is a few years old and he has an updated version which may show more than 9 examples sold. As far as condition, I was amazed to find the stag in such great shape, though certainly not as pristine as my 1041. The reverse shows me that there was some flatness in areas of the reverse die, so wear is less on mine than I previously thought but I suspected some weakness and thought it was strike, but now believe it rests more in the die state. I believe the strike was quite similar on his example and mine. Evidence of rusted areas (about 6) in the field of the obverse die appears on both examples. This is not to say there is no wear present on my 1042, there certainly is some, but it seems lighter than before, a good thing. : ) I also notice that my example of 1042 (rated Scarce) was struck on a larger planchet/flan than the Sriro example. Obverse dentils are cleared by fields on 85-90% of the circumference on mine. I have another, similar token with Britannia in similar condition, and it is very AU-ish, with a good deal of mint red. Considering condition rarity, mine may be much better than I thought at first. Thanks, Bob. This is fun! : ) BTW, the lettered edge on mine reads... [B]PAYABLE IN LONDON[/B] (remainder engrailed) [B]{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ [/B] Now I see the advantage of buying a token from the Collection of [B]Robbie Brown, Jr.[/B] Instead of getting worse in my mind, this token is getting better. I have been studying my own photos of the piece for a few day now, so I pulled the 1042 out this morning and observed it without magnification. Here's what I now see... The token is entirely prooflike with beautiful toning developing, red, blue, green, copper. Edges of lettering and devices show that nice red margin so common to proofs and prooflike issues. With the naked eye, I see the slightest wear on a few high points, almost like rub, or cabinet wear. It's very, very nice. I'll now estimate the grade for this token at AU-50 here, or EF in the U.K. Could this be the Finest Known, or nearly so? Wow. ----------------- This is a good example of how collaboration can help, and how additional reference resources can help. I only received this token a few days ago. I've already learned a lot about it. I bought it because of the provenance and the fact I could see in seller's photos that the stag was clearly better than VF, comparing quite favorably to my UNC stag on the 1041.[/QUOTE]
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